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Musashiro
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Hi all,

I just joined the site and am eager to make my stay permanent from here on.

My main reason for joining was influenced by a research/art project for my animation history class. And seeing as some of you are huge Ghibli fans I thought I'd tap into your collected knowledge for help on the matter.

I'm supposed to choose a defining moment in animation history, write an essay on why it was important and then do an art project based on the subject.

I've chosen one of my favourite and also one of the best animated films ever, "Grave of the Fireflies."

It's only to be a short essay and I'm sure I could muster up enough by myself for a sufficiently informative piece, but I'd welcome any discussion on the historical importance of the film.

The second part of the project is probably what I'll need you all to really help me with. I am going to replicate a cel setup of one of the frames from the film and any information on the process of how the cels and backgrounds were produced would be greatly appreciated. Anything would be of help, but the more detail the better, of course.

Awaiting your responses...

Thank you all,

Musashiro


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Hi Musahiro, welcome! I am by no means an expert on Ghibli stuff, but I am willing to offer any help.

Your project sounds really interesting. How good it would be if we also had animation history classes here.

I don't exactly understand what you mean by replicating the cels. Are you going to draw everything by yourself? Or print high-definition character shots on the cels?

Anyway here is what I know on the general production of anime. In the late 80s, the use of computers was not yet popular and there were no suitable talents/softwares, so all anime were produced by traditional (cel) animation.

A cel is a transparent piece of plastic, where animators draw the characters on. In an anime, each piece of cel is unique (but the crew are free to recycle them in different scenes). An illusion of movement can be created by consecutive display of images that are slightly different with each other. The keyframes are the cels that mark the beginning and the end of a certain movement.

Animators refer to the storyboards to create a pencil-drawing of a certain frame. The drawing is printed as powdered ink on a transparent plastic sheet. Then animators paint the back of the sheet by following the printed lines.

Background is another important element of anime. Usually there are only tens of backgrounds in a certain scene, while there can be thousands of cels. Therefore it is possible to have the backgrounds painted at higher qualities. They can be painted by acrylic paint, watercolour, oil paint or crayon on cardboards. I suppose Ghibli uses watercolour like most other studios for its backgrounds.

When all backgrounds and cels are done, and with all the necessary processes completed (eg checking, timing), they are then shot frame by frame by special cameras. A cel is put right on the background to be shot (multi-layer cels can involve more than one cel in each shot). Then another frame with a new cel and probably the same background is shot. Sometimes certain animation techniques, like panning, are employed at this stage.

Screenshots will not suffice for replicating a frame as the cel images have already covered part of the background. It is basically impossible to separate the two unless there is a scene that has several frames with no character or other cel images at all.


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Musashiro
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Wow! Thank you Jiji for the very specific reply.

Yes, when I say replicate I'm actually going to draw and paint the frame from scatch.

I'll reference a frame from the film (most likely a screen capture from the DVD) and then extrapolate the separate cel and background elements.

The terms of the project stipulate I produce the cel as it was done by the studio. [Hmm.. how lucky (or unlucky) will be my classmates who choose a film from post-traditional cel & paint? Toy Story for instance... yikes!]So the process will include redrawing the character(s), printing them onto a plastic sheet, then painting it. My question then would be how exactly this print transfer process works. Powdered ink? I might have to fudge it a bit if some sort of special printer is required. Details please!

Also what kind of paints did they use? Acrylics? Special cel paints? I didn't know they painted on the back of the cel. That is VERY helpful to know. Thanks!

As for the background I'm given a bit of latitude in that I can either repaint the background from scratch as it was done by the studio or simply find a frame sans characters as you've suggested and print off a copy large enough for the cel to fit over. I suppose once I select a frame the painting technique will be self-evident. Given that I have two months remaining for this project there's no reason to not at least try and repaint the background. Water colours aren't my forte though so we'll see.

Perhaps a few suggestions on which frame I ought to select would be nice. A classmate has already suggested one where Setsuko is saluting with a bowl on her head. Quite iconic, but I'd like to go through the movie again to see what other treasures are to be found.

Cheers,

Musashiro


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Hi. I'm really not familiar with this, but a scene you could do is when they are eating watermelon....if I remembered that correctly. It really is a sad movie.


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Wow so you are going to draw everything by yourself 8]!? It is really a challenging but interesting task .

To make a cel by yourself, you need to get a line art image of any character from the movie first. This is pretty easy for many anime because of the abundance of colouring books. But so far I haven't seen any for GotF (probably not that suitable for young children), so you need to have a print-out and trace the lines on a paper first.

Next you need to get the image printed on a transparency. Studios have special printers for printing lines on cel, but for amateurs like us, a photocopier or laser printer will suffice.

For the colouring, there are special paints deliberately designed for painting cels (generally more lightfast and has higher opacity). You can get them from your local art supply stores. However acrylic paint is good enough for beginners, and is probably cheaper too. And yes, all the painting is done at the back of the cel.

The background is the trickier part if you decide to do it yourself. Ghibli is well-known for its attention to details in the backgrounds of its movies. Yet it doesn't hurt to give a try.

As for the to-be-replicated-frame, personally I like the scene in which the sibilings bath together.

Btw Here is a very nice tutorial on cel painting that you may find useful:
http://anime-tourist.com/article.php?sid=21%20

Wish you all the best with your work!


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I dont know much about this topic but i recommend that if you are drawing ghibli stuff you should read the "art of" books(specially "the art of howl's moving castle", those tell specific details about the drawings and they would come very in handy to recereate a scene from one of ghibli films


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Sunchaser: Whereabouts in the movie is this watermelon scene? I just got home from school and I'll pop in the dvd and look for it now, but in case I don't find it...

Jiji: You are a saviour! That article is pretty much all I'll need to finish the cel portion of the assignment. Brilliant stuff! Thank you! I'll pass this on to my classmates as I'm sure they'll find it as valuable as I do.

Gorgy: Someone had a copy of The Art of Spirited Away in class and I looked through it. It had tons of great pictures from development stage to final film stills (in printed form) but I didn't find anything specific to the technique of cel painting. However the print quality is beautiful and you can see just how much detail they put into the backgrounds. Very handy indeed!

Well I'm off to go frame hunting...

Cheers!


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Very interesting project. If I may suggest a frame to visit it would be when they're in the dark catching fireflies. It would save you having to draw a very detailed background. I would use that frame as last resort personally, only because there is not much of a background at all. It's the easy way out, don't take it I would be very interested in seeing the finished product thouhg, as would the rest of us in the Tavern I'm sure. Good luck and happy drawing!


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Hi all.

I just finished the essay portion of the assignment. It's not much of an essay really though... just two paragraphs on why GOTF was significant. The special edition extras on the DVD REALLY helped.

My other homework's been keeping me really occupied the last few weeks and so I'm still in the prep stage of doing this thing. There was also a school strike that messed me up for a while as well.

I watched the movie to refresh my memory and I can't believe I didn't clue in to the "watermelon" reference. It's like the most pivotal give next to mud rice balls. Good choice, but too depressing for me. Thanks anyway.

As for my actual selection it came down to two choices. My first choice was the shot on the swing during the montage at the end. The second was after Seita buys the cooking pot for themselves and convinces Setsuko they can do whatever they want. It's the shot after she sits the way she wants.

However I watched those scenes and it turns out the swing shot is actually a full two field pan. What this means is double the background size! 35 inches wide. Yipes! So after careful consideration, I've chosen Setsuko sitting the way she likes.

Working on the line art right now...

Cheers!

~Musashiro~


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