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arren18
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We all know what's been happening with Studio Ghibli over the past ten years or so. After the release of When Marnie Was There, the studio temporarily stopped all production. Miyazaki had already retired, and soon afterwards, Yonebayashi and others left to form Studio Ponoc, and Takahata died. But it turned out Miyazaki was only done with feature films, so he still made Boro the Caterpillar. And THEN he came fully out of retirement to make a new film. While that was happening, Goro made Aya and the Witch (he'd also directed the TV series Ronja the Robber's Daughter in the meantime) and now Hayao's new film The Boy and the Heron/How Do You Live? is out in several countries.
Besides that, Hayao is reported to be back coming up with new ideas, despite the expectation that he would stop for good after his latest film. I've also seen indications that Goro is supposed to be doing something new once he isn't so busy with the Ghibli Park. The studio recently became a subsidiary of Nippon Television, who announced that they would be supporting continued filmmaking. Based on that, the future looks brighter than it has for the last decade! ...right??
But somehow, I've noticed a pessimistic tone about the future in articles recently. When people write about Miyazaki's new film in reviews or whatever (I saw one today about the Ghibli Park that did the same thing), they tend to suggest that more Ghibli films are unlikely to appear. They mention Miyazaki's age - to be fair, a lot of people already thought he was probably to old to manage another production on that kind of scale - and the lack of successors - an issue that has been constant since... like, the 90s? I guess I'm just wondering what's causing these people to ignore the recent positive signs. Are they just not aware? Are they not convinced that the NTV setup will actually result in new work? Did they just always think there couldn't be a Studio Ghibli after Miyazaki (Hayao)?
And what does everyone else think? Does it look like there's still a future for the studio besides the museum and the park?
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1. I think there is definitely a lack of direction.
2. There is a lack of demand
Let me explain the second point first
In recent years due to extreme popularity of blockbuster films like Marvel Multiverse there is a huge drop of high quality art films
You can even see that there is a drop of interest in Pixar.
Also we have grown up as child. When i first saw ghibli movies the amount of excitement and joy was incredible. I wont have the same excitement anymore.
So there needs to be another generation. The kids who are growing up today after 10-12 years they will be primary target group for these movies.
Now the first point
What studio ghibli represent is relentless call for the betterment of the world and the nature. Is there any animator in Japan who has that interest.
I would say no to some degree. Here are some honorable mentions
1. mokoto shinkai - apart unrequited love and missed connections his movies also have deep connection with nature
2. Mamoru Hosada - an original ghibli artist. almost matches with ghibli characteristics.
3. Hideaki Ano - Not at all Ghibli style - However the most probable next film of Studio Ghibli might come from him as Hayao Miyazaki provided him permission to do Nausicaa 2
4. Hiromasa Yonebayashi - found studio ponoc
Now lets think what is Studio Ghibli without Miyazaki. I would say it would not represent anything. Due to the nature Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata they have completely moved away from any kind of money making endevours. For example after the nausicaa game not one Studio Ghibli game was made.
Also would we support NTV to dillute Studio Ghibli assets for pennies?
Also another extreme issue is Studio Ghibli has been a talent killer. Not one person made it big coming out of Studio Ghibli. You can consider Studio Ponoc a semi success but there is perspective regarding long term sustainability
If Studio Ghibli needs to revive following needs to be done
Do some movie concept planning
take the guys from above and do something with those concept
create a sub studio - and add all the artists in that studio - allow them to make mistakes and do interesting things
then allow them to make movies for Studio Ghibli
Now the question comes how realistic is this? I would say extremely low. The perspective of Franchise is not something of interest to most Japanese People from what i understand.
Unless there is a person who strongly beleive in Studio Ghibli cause it is difficult to do it. Are there such people, yes. Is ghibli looking for them No.
I think the best i can wish from NTV is strong promotion of Studio Ghibli material. Similar to Neon Genesis Evangelion. That way there is a possibility that these films wont become just history rather be relevant to the next generation
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There is a third point anime has changed a lot recently
the first phase of anime is definiltely as everyone know sharp, slick characters with a lot of fanservice
After the prolifiration of Studio Ghibli it became very theme driven. Helped by excellent manga which provided stories to imagine and draw
Now anime is back to the same thing. Limitless action and fanservice.
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Post last edited by saviour2012 on 01.11.2024, 03:13 PM.
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Wow, not very optimistic! I guess I see the NTV takeover as something that can help give the studio time to work out a future solution after it didn't really work out earlier. I also don't think it needs to be the same as it was in the past, because I'm not so sure there was ever really a unified goal. It was a vehicle for Miyazaki and Takahata to make whatever films they felt like and try to get other people to make more (although that part was something they always had trouble with).
Suzuki is an important part too, and he won't be around forever either. Maybe if somebody takes his place in organising stuff, they can do things differently. I've sometimes thought Goro might be better suited to that than directing himself. Maybe he could be the type of person to bring in directors, even if it's on a film-by-film basis, to make interesting works. I think there are some other people with potential besides the ones you mentioned too, like Ando Masashi or Yoshiyuki Momose, who worked at Ghibli in the past.
I suppose my point is I wouldn't write anything off. There's an opportunity to shake things up, and maybe something pretty good could come out of it!
By the way, I'm curious about this:
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Originally posted by saviour2012
There is a third point anime has changed a lot recently
the first phase of anime is definiltely as everyone know sharp, slick characters with a lot of fanservice
After the prolifiration of Studio Ghibli it became very theme driven. Helped by excellent manga which provided stories to imagine and draw
Now anime is back to the same thing. Limitless action and fanservice.
What are you imagining as these different phases? When did the first one last until? What was this time period where you think Ghibli was a big driving force and caused there to be less action and fanservice? (Personally I think Ghibli has always been a big influence for creators, but without really shaping the tone of any period in anime) And is there really more of that stuff now than there used to be?
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No there definitely is a huge chance of comeback. However personally i would not want the theme to change. that would be basically the death of the brand. Reimagination can happen.
Regarding phases i would say the following
1. Original Work and TV driven animation(1970-1990) -> This is first phase which has given rise to all the famous Directors we know and love. But the animation itself is low quality and cheaply made. Low details and animation quality is subpar. Fan Service and other things were there. This might be either to entice viewers or due to the 70-80s neon light tokyo culture i dont really know.
2. Studio Ghibli and Manga Driven Anime(1990-2010) -> After Stuido Ghibli provided hit after hits in the 84(nausicaa), 86(castle), 88(totoro/grave), 89(kiki). It was quite evedent that anime is a huge medium and you can invest in quality. After that we can see the plethora of anime made both original (cowboy, champloo) and manga based. Almost all the famous anime we know today has been made in this time.
3. Ultra Commercialization of Anime (2010 - now) -> I would say most if not all popular manga has been adapted to anime. Now most anime is being made from light novel. If anyone knows the origin of light novel and visual novel it is mostly pornographic in nature to a huge margin. Although there are gems hidden for example (steins gate, re:zero). Another important aspect is as anime is much more marketable now there is a tendency to make sure there is some key elements in all anime. Sad to say the term wifu is now mainstream and otaku is also generally accepted. In youtube space and other places there is happening blatant discussion regarding things which is straight up not related to the work of art. This is why Hayao Miyazaki said anime was a mistake due to studio turning to otakus for stories. Another important fact is otakus are becoming directors as well. Which is kind of a dangerous thing. I would not say there is more fanservice rather now there are more anime being shown in mainstream media which is basically porn or some weird fetish. Sad yes. True also yes. I do not see a lot of really memorable anime in this period. Are there good ones yes ofcourse. But thats a exception generally.
Now the question is can you make a statistical corelation how many anime got which score at which year. i guess you can. I am very confident regarding the 1990-2010 era. That you will find better anime in this period. Can this be due to technology. I would say no as it is even better now. I would say the issue is directors.
I think i have written threads after threads that anime which japanese as a medium must make sure what it wants to be. Does it want to be a respectable medium or something different. Seems like anime studios are going for whatever sells.
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Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
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I guess I'd like to know what particular examples you're thinking of for the 70s-80s because I'm still not really getting what you're basing it on.
But there are quite a few things you're putting in the 2010s+ section that are definitely features of the 90s-00s, especially this thing about "otaku becoming directors". Early anime fandom kicked off in the 70s when things like Gundam and Space Battleship Yamato combined existing nerdy interests, and an important feature of the late 80s into the 90s is that the people who had been fans of those franchises began making anime themselves - think about Gainax for example. That was also the time when there was this big moral panic about "otaku" being some sign of social deviance, but honestly, that idea has been fading away for a LONG time now. Azuma Hiroki looked at otaku and the trends of anime and related media in the 90s, predicted that their lifestyle was basically the way of the future and wrote Japan's Database Animals about it way back in 2001 - and that's just one example of that narrative changing. Over time, people have just become less hung-up on the idea that it's some kind of insult. So I think you're a bit behind on that idea.
"Waifu" comes from a joke in Azumanga Daioh, from the 2000s. You mentioned visual novels, which were a more popular source for anime adaptations in the 2000s too, like Fate/Stay Night and stuff. I'm not 100% certain on this point, but I think there was more anime porn in the 80s-90s too, since that was the heyday of OVAs, which didn't have to follow the requirements of TV broadcasts. At the very least, the 90s were when a lot of that was being released overseas.
Light novels are definitely not "mostly pornographic in nature" as the main target audience is usually high schoolers. You'd have to have a very unusual definition of "pornographic" for that to count.
Aaand for the record, Miyazaki did NOT say "anime was a mistake". He's expressed some strong opinions about some anime fans (who were big fans of his work in the 70s-80s!) and made it clear he's not interested in being part of that world, but this is not a real quote.
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