Posted by Roarkiller on 07.04.2013, 06:10 AM: Gotta admit, he's right Yeah, I bet the title sure got your attention.
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Posted by arren18 on 07.04.2013, 06:45 AM: This is something I can agree with. Something he doesn't seem to go into though (unless he mentions it in the original interview) is that it's like that because there's a market for it. Cuteness is such a huge deal in Japan, and among anime otaku there are plenty of people who, well, get off on it. And the thing about seiyuu trying to sell themselves rather than the character - when fans turn seiyuu into idols, and then start watching things just because of who's in it, of course they're selling themselves - that's why big names like them were hired!
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Posted by husky51 on 07.04.2013, 06:56 AM: I am!!!!! Oh, you meant Miyazake-san...
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Posted by Roarkiller on 07.04.2013, 06:27 PM: For some reason I imagined Johny Depp voice-acting an anime.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.04.2013, 11:15 PM: Yes. This guy ALWAYS knows what's up.
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Posted by ~OneSummersDay~ on 07.05.2013, 12:15 AM: Miyazaki has it spot-on! You want be be absorbed by the character, not be pondering who the actor is that voices them. |
Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.05.2013, 01:04 PM: While further researching this issue I stumbled upon a link to this bit of horrifying perversity. Only check it out if you would like to gaze upon the true face of what otaku culture has become. You will not emerge unscathed.
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Posted by San Toelle Ul Shichikokuyama-g on 07.05.2013, 04:31 PM: Oh god. |
Posted by Saddletank on 07.07.2013, 05:16 AM: He's flying in the face of fashionable culture which is pretty much unstoppable. Husky commented elsewhere about how "dark" our western fantasy movies have become in the last 10-15 years. Batman is no longer the Caped Crusader (a white image) but the Dark Knight (a black image). Our heroes are being turned into tortured suffering souls, fighting greater inner battles against their own weakness than the battles they face against traditional evil. These movies are a creation of our own culture today.
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Posted by Roarkiller on 07.07.2013, 06:31 AM:
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.07.2013, 01:02 PM:
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Posted by Saddletank on 07.08.2013, 09:31 AM: I don't know that's going anywhere near that territory at all. Men aren't being taught that helpless dim girls are better than assertive intelligent girls in any way. Girls aren't necessarily seeing Asahina Mikuru as a role model, I'm pretty sure of that.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.08.2013, 01:18 PM: Sorry Saddles, but I'm gonna pull the "I live in Japan" card. Girls are definitely encouraged to act like sweet helpless dimwitted anime characters. You see it all over the place. They'll pretend to not know how to do something extremely basic in order to seem cute. Media affect the way people behave, that's pretty much incontrovertible fact by now. What do you think is the effect of all these cutesy, mindless, childlike, highly sexualized characters? And how much more often would you say characters like that appear in anime, compared to intelligent assertive women?
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Posted by arren18 on 07.09.2013, 02:57 AM: Something I've heard time and again from people who have just been in Japan for a year is that you really do see this all the time, for example falsely high-pitched voices that are used only when guys are around. I mentioned earlier that this is popular in anime because there's a market for it, and it's true outside of that too: because enough people like it and expect it, many girls and women to emulate that behaviour.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.09.2013, 04:18 AM: Yeah, I was going to add that the whole cute fixation has been going on for more than forty years now (at least), so I don't know if it's quite as superficial a phenomenon as Saddletank seems to think. I'm guessing it's the result of some very ancient ideas mixing with a sudden influx of new influences. I'm sure Japanese culture will evolve (as it has for thousands of years) and some new aesthetic will eventually predominate, but I highly doubt that will happen overnight. Marketing has certainly fueled the kawaii craze, but is it at the root of it? Somehow I don't think so.
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Posted by Saddletank on 07.09.2013, 12:55 PM: If you are seeing this trend first hand, Orphic, I will be gracious and admit defeat in this debate!
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Posted by husky51 on 07.09.2013, 01:02 PM: hahaha, if I can win the big lottery, we will, but don't hold your breath, lol
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Posted by Calforsale on 07.11.2013, 07:45 PM: I like it in animes like K-ON, but i'd hate it in a Ghibli. Its not good for a serious anime. Well i guess its a bit okay in a serious anime, like misa misa in Death Note.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.12.2013, 02:25 AM: I was not okay with Misa Misa in Death Note.
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Posted by arren18 on 07.12.2013, 03:16 AM: I don't necessarily mind the exaggerated cutesy voices in themselves, I'm more bothered by the ubiquity of it. If it happened from time to time, or only in appropriate contexts, fine. But it seems to be everywhere, and that makes it really obnoxious to me.
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