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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.29.2013, 10:01 AM:

 

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Originally posted by arren18
Otaku is a term that was originally used by otaku. Enthusiastic fans took a very formal term meaning "you" and used it as a tongue-in-cheek way to refer to each other. Later, there was media frenzy around the otaku subculture because of how the Japanese media (like media anywhere I suppose) likes to demonise a large group because of association with individual negative incidents. I have a feeling that your idea of "otaku" as some negative epithet applied by others is based on the perception created by the media.


This is largely irrelevant to the discussion, but I find the origins of the term "otaku" really fascinating and I think you might be slightly off here. It's true that "otaku" is an extremely formal way of saying "you," but from what I understand, it was initially applied to extreme anime fans as a derogatory term, implying that they were so socially unaware they would use a word like "otaku" even in informal situations where it would be awkward and unnecessary. Only later was it actually adopted and used by fans themselves. I'm pretty sure that unless otaku are using the term amongst themselves, it is still very much derogatory in Japan.


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Posted by husky51 on 07.29.2013, 11:36 AM:

 

A magazine that I subscribe to is titled "Otaku USA" Interesting magazine with anime, manga, games, etc. articles...


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Posted by saviour2012 on 07.29.2013, 12:42 PM:

 

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Originally posted by Orphic Okapi
it is still very much derogatory in Japan.



yeah that is what i am talking about


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Posted by Koda on 07.29.2013, 04:47 PM:

 

I know loads of people, who class themselves as Otaku's, I just assumed it meant a big fan of Anime culture, like Manga, Anime and Cosplay.

That is what the vast amount of people use it as, especially a lot of Americans and English people. I don't care for what it used to mean, but it may be like the term gay. It's present meaning seems to be a big fan of Manga, Anime and Cosplay.


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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 07.29.2013, 05:50 PM:

 

Outside of Japan the term is really only used by otaku themselves. So of course it isn't going to have a negative connotation. In Japan, though, where everyone knows the term, it gains broader application, so you see it being used as everything from a term of endearment to an insult.


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Posted by saviour2012 on 07.31.2013, 06:45 AM:

 

when i meant otaku i did not mean what internet communities use it for. i meant the characteristics it holds in real term i really meant that people who are said otaku in japan is increasing.


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Posted by Saddletank on 07.31.2013, 01:54 PM:

 

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Originally posted by saviour2012
when i meant otaku i did not mean what internet communities use it for. i meant the characteristics it holds in real term.

I honestly don't know what you mean. Surely "what internet communities use it for" *is* what it means? Going off on a mind-bending tangent, what does *any* word mean except what people think it means?

Not trying to be difficult, just genuinely confused.


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Posted by Koda on 07.31.2013, 02:19 PM:

 

I am also confused, who is the definer of words then ?. The original meaning of words, isn't what they always mean now is it ? Regardless, of whether people like it. The English language, unfortunately is just confusing.

All the new slang, young people use, from different areas of the country, and when Americans chance meanings. No wonder people find it hard to learn our language.


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Posted by Kazegami on 07.31.2013, 02:39 PM:

 

People are, of course, the definer of words.

Meanings are not immutable, they change as society changes. Look at the word 'gay' as a good example.


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Posted by Koda on 07.31.2013, 03:02 PM:

 

Exactly, I mentioned that previously. We are the ones who define these words, the meaning of Otaku is changing.


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Posted by Calforsale on 08.22.2013, 07:10 AM:

 

I'd like to go to a maid cafe one time. Just to try it out. Mainly well because of animes lol.


Have u guys heard of this foreigner/english speaking butler cafe in Japan?>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPxmE3Bgl1c

looks pretty hilarious LOL


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