Posted by dballred on 08.01.2013, 10:34 AM: Global warming, as presented by the usual gang of Marxists disguised as environmentalists, is a crock. Climate change does exist, it's natural, and it occurs so slowly that even tree lines can outrun the rising and falling ocean levels. At the peak of the last ice age, the ocean levels were over 100 meters lower that they are now and it's mathematically possible for them to rise another 60-70 meters. However, the southern half of Greenland is the only real candidate for thawing as its latitude indicates it being a remnant of a previous ice age.
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Posted by arren18 on 08.01.2013, 11:33 AM: I agree with the earlier point about apportioning blame being pointless. It just distracts from the real issue at hand. I think global warming is a controversial topic for good reason - because there are definitely different ways to look at what's happening and explain why. I think dballred's post is an example of that blaming technique though. I don't know who these Marxist strawmen are supposed to be, or who has ever said that redistribution of wealth reduces global warming, but in any case, I feel like you're just avoiding thinking about solutions.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.01.2013, 01:57 PM:
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Posted by Koda on 08.01.2013, 02:05 PM: It would get rid of Justin Bieber though haha, yeah I know but they said before even when one recycles, it literally has no effect.
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Posted by dballred on 08.01.2013, 02:15 PM: There's nothing wrong at all with doing whatever you can do to limit your own production of Carbon Dioxide, but the measures the charlatans want, such as setting up "Carbon Taxes," "Cap and Trade," and establishing "CAFE Standards" with fines instead of outright bans is nothing more than stealing money and grabbing power with zero positive results.
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Posted by husky51 on 08.01.2013, 02:22 PM: and as far as the threat of methane goes, a lot of people are blaming dairy farms as a major cause of methane in the atmosphere.
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Posted by dballred on 08.01.2013, 03:32 PM:
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Posted by Mush on 08.01.2013, 04:16 PM: dballred, are you suggesting that I don't understand mathematics, physics, or trigonometry? I am not a Marxist, and I would encourage you to refrain from ad hominem arguments, especially on this forum. Personally speaking, I have attempted to convince myself on numerous occasions that anthropogenic climate change is a fraud, and on confronting the evidence, failed to do so each time. I would very much like to believe it isn't true. It would make my life much easier, and I would be able to direct my efforts to other important problems without worrying about the climate.
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Posted by ~OneSummersDay~ on 08.01.2013, 04:17 PM: We're ALL to blame in the sense that we all need fossil fuels to power our homes and numerous gadgets. These are the main creators of greenhouse gases, resulting in global warming.
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Posted by dballred on 08.01.2013, 06:22 PM:
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Posted by Mush on 08.01.2013, 07:29 PM: I don't entirely see your point about the locations of the most polluted cities, or about being able to poison things. We certainly have the capacity to do exceptional and lasting damage to the habitability of Earth -- although I'm not at all convinced that nuclear power is as dangerous as you suggest, even to those creatures living nearby. If humankind wanted to wage an extinction campaign against multicellular life on Earth, with some creativity I think we could just about pull it off. But fortunately, there aren't so many supervillains around who are making it their deliberate goal to do this.
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Posted by Calforsale on 08.01.2013, 09:21 PM: You have the right to believe what you want to, but the issues of climate change are fact.
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Posted by dballred on 08.01.2013, 10:55 PM:
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Posted by Mush on 08.01.2013, 11:35 PM: 1. It's been... eight(?) years since I've seen Al Gore's production, so I don't remember. I do remember that some of Al Gore's claims were false or misrepresentations, though. I'm all in favour of calling him out on that.
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