Welcome to the Tavern, Lynnie...

Hoping that you like it here...

Again, Welcpme...

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Originally posted by Lynnie Unless there are a lot of censoring/script changes.

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@husky51 thank you very much for the welcome! Nice avatar btw!

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Originally posted by Lynnie Unless there are a lot of censoring/script changes.

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How do you find out these changes? How do you know an anime might be worth watching with subtitles or not?

What if there not a lot of changes but only a few?

What if there's only ONE change? How important might that one change be?

What do you think of the dubbed lines spoken by Jiji in Kiki's Delivery Service? Were his added lines relevant? Not relevant? Useful? Funny? If so, why?

What about added music (which is done at the same time as the dub?). Is this important or not?

Do you not think the Japanese language is beautiful to hear being spoken?

Hearing the characters talking with American accents has what kind of effect on the viewer do you think?

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I started as many did with dubs, and with Ghibli I always watched dubbed first as I always wait for them to be released on Blu Ray buy them, then watch them. I don't have very much time to browse the internet to watch them, nor is my connection good enough to download a movie. Now recently I got CR and it has an APP on the PS4 so I watch tons on there. all subbed.

Now I used to think I'd hate subs, but now I don't mine. I don't notice many differences, when watching subbed or dubbed.

Sure the message might have changed slightly, more often or not to match with the English language but the animation is what is very important in Ghibli films too and the best quality to be had is Blu Ray, not talking 4K so in essence, it doesn't matter to me as much. I would like to re watch them all with subs to see the difference one day. But now I just enjoy the films, now my question here is

In Whisper of the Heart, does Country Roads still feature in the Japanese origional audio ??. I found it odd to be there, an American song the version sung by Olivia Newton-John to be featured. Though it's one of my favourite scenes

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As I said before, having lived in Japan for awhile, I prefer the subs as I feel that I can "feel" the emotions being portrayed theough the language even if I don't understand it. I still remember some of my Japanese and get a kick when I hear a word that I know....

Most of my Ghibli's are in Japanese and I believe that 'Country Roads" was the original tune. WHY it was chosen is an interesting question and I would like to find the answer...

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A lot can be missed in translation but I don't think this is a bad thing. When, for example, the translator changes a Japanese joke - that wouldn't make sense in English at all - to an English joke - that may have a different meaning from the original one but gets the same reaction from the viewer -, they do so the viewers share the same experience, regardless of culture. Of course, it is better to have a straightforward translation, but these changes may happen in the way. I believe they happen for the best.

Okay. You want to feel and see what the author meant originally, rather than a translator's interpretation of that. But... You'll only be able to fully experience that if you're fluent in the original language. If you're not totally fluent, than the subs will be more like a "backup" that'll help you understand the things you missed. I'm Brazilian, so my native language is Brazilian Portuguese. I can understand English well, but there're things that I just don't get, not to mention the different English accents. In this case, subtitles really help me. What about people who're not fluent at all? Unfortunately, it's impossible for them to fully experience the movie/animation/book/whatever as they were meant to be. In this case, dubbing or subtitles will work just the same. We can only hope that the translation was well made.

Howeverrrrrr, there's another point we need to consider. The acting. I think this is a major problem that makes me switch from dub to sub, since sometimes the voice actors in the dubbed versions lack emotion/talent, or their acting doesn't match their character. If the voice actor does a good job, I don't see why not watch it dubbed.

Then again, it's my point of view.

Fun fact:
The Brazilian dubbing industry was able to improve a lot over the years since most entertainment material we got was foreigner to us. Of course, there are really poor dubs, but most is done with love. Brazilian Portuguese dubs to Ghibli movies are AMAZING. Nothing will stop me from watching Spirited Away in Portuguese. I've watched it in Japanese and English many times, but in Pt-Br it's really, really nice.

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This is my first post in Ghibli Tavern. I'm really excited. It's been a long time since I last participated in forums. I hope we can be good friends.

belborges, I said welcome in another thread, but I will say it again here.

I agree with your comment about the voice actors emotion or acting ability matching the character. This goes along with what I was saying in another earlier post.

Again, welcome...

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Welcome and it's amazing that it's dubbed into so many languages so the whole world can share Ghibli. I do want an answer to Country roads please someone must know ahhhhhhhhhhh

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"In Whisper of the Heart, does Country Roads still feature in the Japanese original audio? I found it odd to be there, an American song the version sung by Olivia Newton-John to be featured. Though it's one of my favourite scenes "

Yes, of course its in there. Its central to the theme of the film. Its the opening credits song as well as being sung in the film.

Back in the 70s the Olivia Newton-John version was apparently popular in Japan.

The song has slightly altered lyrics in the film and of course Shizuku adds her own as well.

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Here you go, Saddles.

Aww, thanks. I completely forgot it was in the Ghbli section. Duh.

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uh, they say that the memory is the first thing to go, Saddles...

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Huh?

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I find that the Ghibli dubs are usually serviceable, if not outright superior.

I think that Disney's dub of "Castle in the Sky" is superior to the original mostly because of what they did with the score - sweeping orchestral music instead of the digitized music in had in the original.

That was the #1 thing that bothered me about Nausicaa, to be honest - the jarring difference between the lovely orchestral music and the video-gamey pieces.

"Spirited Away" was fine, except for the aforementioned change to the end of the movie. "Princess Mononoke" worked very well. Some people criticized Jiji's voice in "Kiki's Delivery Service" as being too obnoxious, but I didn't mind it.

Only big problem I can think of with the dubs was that of "Grave of the Fireflies" - Setsuko sounded far too old.

Dubbed is the best option for a child who is learning to read. Even as they get older it can be a big ask to expect them to read for two hours. Our first subtitled film was Belle et Sébastien, but that was fairly simple dialogue in French, a language we know quite well.

unless dubs are really bad, why subs? I mean, if I wanned to read, I would read a book.

if I can understand the language of the original (such as english) I watch it the way director wanted it to be. great. but if I do not understand anything (like with japanese) and have no intention to learn that language, why listen to it? vs dubs conveniently made in your native language.

moreover, there are times when dubs are actually better than original. off the top of my head, russian doom iii had way better voice acting.

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This doesn't only apply to anime, but to all foreign language films.

1) Its the original language with the original spoken voices, so you get the full intended characterisation and expression.

2) You can pick up a great deal of the original language as you listen to subtitled foreign films - this can just broaden your mind or be a real learning experience. It is always wise to be open to new things and learning this way is actually fun. If someone is personally closed to this that is their choice but for many it is a source of learning.

3) Some foreign languages are just beautiful to listen to and Asian ones are among those. Listening to spoken Japanese, especially by women, is for me a real delight.

4) If the show or movie is fansubbed you can usually rely on high levels of accuracy. If its a movie subbed via official channels you can usually rely on the original producer being okay with it which should be good enough for anyone.

5) Sometimes the lip synching with dubs is bad and spoils the immersion.

6) Sometimes meaning is seriously changed with a foreign language dub because a dub can be marketed at a slightly different demographic than subtitled films and 'corners are cut' with regards to local, cultural or social nuances. Subtitles do this far less frequently. See the earlier discussion.

7) In the case of anime, hearing the characters speak with American accents is a personal put-off for me. It feels completely weird and uncomfortable though this is a personal issue that I know the vast majority don't share.

Yes, there may be instances of a dub being very good but people usually have to cite specific examples for that. Subtitled shows and movies never need citing for good examples because they are everywhere.

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This doesn't only apply to anime, but to all foreign language films.

3) Some foreign languages are just beautiful to listen to and Asian ones are among those. Listening to spoken Japanese, especially by women, is for me a real delight.

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This is a stereotypical remark of the worst kind.

There are plenty of anime movies that do not have overacted voices. That generally is more prevalent in TV shows but even so there are many TV shows where actors speak normally. Not every anime is full of squeaky moe schoolgirls or magical flying maidens shouting their heads off.

Listen to the female actresses in Garden of Words, Only Yesterday, Ghost in the Shell, Jin Roh, Sky Crawlers and dozens of others.

For TV series consider Mushishi, Issukan Friends (in many places), Kimi ni Todoke, Usagi Drop, Hibike Euphonium, Monogatari (absolutely stuffed full of down-played intensive spoken scenes), Beck, Ano Hana, Aku no Hana, Hanasaku Iroha... the list is endless.

Overacted voice acting is probably in a minority and seems to affect certain genres more.

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