Posted by Roarkiller on 08.12.2015, 09:15 AM: The death of classics It just occurred to me, while looking at my anime collection, that shows we can consider as a classic or a masterpiece are getting decidedly rare, if not non-existent. I don't mean just anime but almost all forms of entertainment. The last anime to be considered a masterpiece was probably Spirited Away in 2001, while the last anime to receive anywhere near immortal cult status was probably Cardcaptor Sakura (98-2000) if I recall. And I'm not aware of any great musicals since Cats.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.12.2015, 09:48 AM: Doesn't it take a while before a piece of music/movie/novel etc is considered a classic?
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Posted by arren18 on 08.12.2015, 12:25 PM:
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Posted by Nausicaa_Cat on 08.12.2015, 02:07 PM: I would agree that it's impossible to really refer to anything recent as a 'classic', since we have no idea how it's going to age and whether it'll go on to take cult-status etc.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 08.13.2015, 01:17 PM: The suggestions you guys gave to me can be starting place for this.
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Posted by arren18 on 08.13.2015, 02:49 PM: I'll try and go through point by point. There are some points where I disagree and some where I just don't quite see what you're getting at.
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Posted by Koda on 08.13.2015, 03:57 PM: Anything from Ghibli is a classic tbh, but the stand out one for me is Fireflies. Akira ?? Ghost in the Shell ?? Paprika ??
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.13.2015, 05:30 PM: My take on a classic is that it must stand the test of time and be significant decades after it was created, rather than just a decade or two. For me none of the films mentioned in the post above rate very highly. I even thought about this today while working and 'Titanic' came to my mind. It had superb special effects but beyond that - there is nothing, just a love story and not a very good one at that. The recent Pearl Harbor film is an even poorer choice to be rated classic. It was again a few minutes of very good (but in places overly gratuitous) CGI but nothing else at all. In fact the plot outside of the historical story was dreadful. The 1960s joint US-Japanese production 'Tora Tora Tora' was a far stronger film despite the limited ability the director had to stage a realistic bombing scene.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 08.14.2015, 02:54 AM: @arren i will answer your questions tomorrow.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.14.2015, 03:30 AM: I'm glad you raised that point Saviour, because I think its important and the source of many misconceptions.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.14.2015, 11:26 AM: More succinctly I ought to say that popular films are not necessarily classics, but classics become popular films.
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Posted by arren18 on 08.14.2015, 01:20 PM: Similarly, some things become classics in hindsight. That is, at the time they might've been overlooked, but then people reassessed them and found that they were actually very important.
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Posted by Roarkiller on 08.17.2015, 07:51 AM: Days late, but eh, that's life.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.17.2015, 10:29 AM:
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Posted by Roarkiller on 08.18.2015, 07:03 AM: Because, for example, you can't argue on whether classic are no longer when you cannot even define what a classic is.
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Posted by arren18 on 08.18.2015, 07:22 AM: Of course you can. It makes the discussion more interesting really, because if we all agreed on what a classic is, we'd be more likely to agree on what counts, and therefore whether they are dying out or not.
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Posted by Saddletank on 08.18.2015, 10:29 AM: Yep, Arren has it. First we define what a classic is (we're not going to fully agree but I expect we'd agree some basic criteria), then we can judge any film against those criteria.
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Posted by Roarkiller on 08.18.2015, 01:45 PM: Personally I don't think a "classic" is something that has to be technically good as you put it; many shows are just a cult hit which makes them "great" instead of really great. X-Files, Mr Bean and Mind Your Language are a few series that are arguably "great" instead of great, but receive rave reviews even today due to their popularity. In that sense, I disagree that quality is the only major defining factor; popularity plays a big part as well. Something can be a classic due to how bad it was, for instance, as in the case of English As It Is Spoke.
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Posted by FlareNetworkC on 08.18.2015, 05:41 PM: I agree. A classic does not have to be good to be a classic. For example, you can consider School Days as a classic Harem anime. Is School Days good? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 08.18.2015, 05:59 PM: @Arren
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