Posted by Saddletank on 02.16.2015, 10:03 PM: I've heard reviews that the movie is very average. Bland. Like "Story of O" was, watered down to be suitable for cinemas so much it becomes tasteless.
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Posted by fenkashi on 02.17.2015, 03:19 AM: I think I'll put more faith in professionals who have analysed the books and they're pretty unanimous in their opinion that there are massive amounts of abuse in the main characters' relationship, than in the masses whose defense of the movie is: you haven't read the books! They books explain that Christian has his reasons, and their relationship is actually so romantic!
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 02.17.2015, 10:54 AM: I've read recaps and watched videos of people reading the books out loud and even the tiny bits they quote are enough to make me want to run for the hills. :s I've read professional articles on how bad they are as well. One of the scenes made me cringe so much at the thought. I don't see how it was supposed to be sexy...
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Posted by arren18 on 02.17.2015, 04:54 PM: I would understand defending it on the grounds of it being a fantasy. All kinds of things happen in fiction that we wouldn't want in real life even if the fantasy is exciting. Plus, I think most people find it ridiculous when somebody argues that video games cause violence - another case of assuming that people desire the fantasy in real life.
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Posted by Saddletank on 02.17.2015, 07:49 PM: I haven't read the book or seen the film and don't intend to, but having some knowledge of BDSM I do know that in a loving and above all trusting relationship where both (or all) parties enjoy it, such a relationship can involve abuse, where it is no longer 'abuse' (in the legal, negative sense).
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 02.17.2015, 09:52 PM: No, it doesn't portray BDSM accurately. There's actually quite a few members of the BDSM community who have written about the books' inaccuracy.
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Posted by Saddletank on 02.18.2015, 10:18 AM: It sounds like the book vs movie comparison and the content in general plus people's reaction to it would make good material for an 'anti' essay.
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Posted by arren18 on 02.18.2015, 11:18 AM: From what I've heard of it, the relationship in the book does not reasonably portray real BDSM. What I'm talking about is that, like in real BDSM, there is the involvement of fantasy - if you're reading a book or engaging in roleplay, you're into the fantasy with the comfort of knowing it isn't real. But yeah, as I said, the fact that people are apparently not seeing it that way, and instead think it's realistic and good, is troubling.
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 02.18.2015, 03:15 PM: No, Arren, I'm on the same side as you. Sorry if it didn't come across that way. XD But yeah, my biggest concern is how people think that it's realistic. I'm not one for censoring literature or anything. I'm fine with people liking the books and the fantasies in it, but it's the people who cross the line and don't see anything wrong with it or think the relationship is ideal and what they'd want... which is scary. lol Especially since my mother agrees that the relationship is realistic and completely consensual. lol This is also a peeve of mine with other books, especially books for young adults. It's just 50 Shades takes it a bit farther. I have a friend who did enjoy the books but she's also a literature major and sees the flaws in it. The people who don't worry me. lol I just wish the books were hilariously bad but the dialogue actually makes me cringe. haha
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Posted by husky51 on 02.18.2015, 05:23 PM: And, of course, it opens tomorrow at my local theater, but I think I'll give it a pass... |
Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 02.18.2015, 07:28 PM: Haha, good idea.
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Posted by Calforsale on 02.19.2015, 02:09 AM: Final year of uni. I had plans since high school of what to do after my degree, to study a masters in urban planning. But now, i'm not so sure. Maybe i should do a law degree. or international development. or work first.
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Posted by Calforsale on 02.19.2015, 02:12 AM: @fff, I feel your pain and I hope you'll be fine with your money situation. I too know what it feels like to struggle to even afford the basics, actually right now i'm considering in not buying a bed and sleeping on the floor of my new bedroom all year
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Posted by husky51 on 02.19.2015, 06:08 AM: "Quarter Life Crisis"...
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 02.19.2015, 09:14 AM: Thanks, Cal. I've been stressed over bills and things after my roommate left me in a lurch. Luckily, my power bill isn't very high but I'm upset she canceled it on me. She never contacted me about paying for internet after she canceled it but we got in an argument. I share internet with four others in my building and should still be able to in the coming school year so no need to worry over that, plus it's so much cheaper than with my roommate.
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Posted by husky51 on 02.19.2015, 11:05 PM: Uhhh possible solution, FFF... Make with the big, sad puppy dog eyes and see if one of your schoolmates parents will adopt you??? lol |
Posted by saviour2012 on 02.21.2015, 07:00 AM: the concerns about the covergence of fantasy and real life is a REAL concern.
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Posted by arren18 on 02.21.2015, 08:10 AM: I'm reasonably confident that isn't how psychology works. A regular person doesn't read Lord of the Rings and then, because they don't care what others think of them, start murdering people.
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Posted by Saddletank on 02.21.2015, 08:47 AM: I agree with Arren. There have been many long running debates in the west, ever since violent computer games came out, about how these might help young people to become violent. Before violent computer games we had the same debate that watching pornography helps make people into rapists.
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Posted by Roarkiller on 02.23.2015, 09:33 AM: Technically, saviour is right, except we don't generally associate it with the right media. Books have long been shaping the human psyche, except they were previously non-fiction. Books of philosophers have been shaping the human mind for millennia, holy books have been well you already know (haha), and more recent trends include self-improvement books. Who Moved My Cheese is a well-known example.
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