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Yeah, I bet the title sure got your attention.
http://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-says-cu...rable-669265148
I won't deny that those kind of voices so typical is romcom anime gets to me as well. In fact any kind of super uber incredibly excitingly exaggerated voice-acting irritates the hell out out of me. Stuff like Minami-ke, for instance. Or anything that sounds like a collection of Chiyo-chan.
We won't be getting it in his newest movie, so I guess that's one thing to be thankful.
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This is something I can agree with. Something he doesn't seem to go into though (unless he mentions it in the original interview) is that it's like that because there's a market for it. Cuteness is such a huge deal in Japan, and among anime otaku there are plenty of people who, well, get off on it. And the thing about seiyuu trying to sell themselves rather than the character - when fans turn seiyuu into idols, and then start watching things just because of who's in it, of course they're selling themselves - that's why big names like them were hired!
So while I do agree that it's very irritating, I'm more annoyed by the way the industry and the fans keep making it happen.
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For some reason I imagined Johny Depp voice-acting an anime.
Oh my god. THAT is a disaster.
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Yes. This guy ALWAYS knows what's up.
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Miyazaki has it spot-on! You want be be absorbed by the character, not be pondering who the actor is that voices them.
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While further researching this issue I stumbled upon a link to this bit of horrifying perversity. Only check it out if you would like to gaze upon the true face of what otaku culture has become. You will not emerge unscathed.
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He's flying in the face of fashionable culture which is pretty much unstoppable. Husky commented elsewhere about how "dark" our western fantasy movies have become in the last 10-15 years. Batman is no longer the Caped Crusader (a white image) but the Dark Knight (a black image). Our heroes are being turned into tortured suffering souls, fighting greater inner battles against their own weakness than the battles they face against traditional evil. These movies are a creation of our own culture today.
The Japanese fixation on cuteness in many forms (toys, clothing, etc) is I think a cultural backlash against the times. In that respect I don't have too big an issue with it. In itself its harmless and brings a bit of fun into many people's daily grind.
Many people place making money before so much else today, and seiyuu are working in jobs in which they want to be successful, well know and richer, you can't blame them for hiring agents who will promote them in any way possible, its a part of the industry they are in. They are idols in the same way Japan promotes idols who sing, act and put on swimsuits to be photographed.
Miyazaki is saying he doesn't like it, which is a good thing for his fans, it means we'll get sympathetic voice actors and actresses in his future movies as well, though he has already lost the battle in the choice of voice actors that Disney uses in the English dubbed versions of his films, which is a pity.
Because I'm geographically absent from the society and don't frequent forums with 'chan' in their names, I can't say I have ever recognised a single Japanese voice actress in any anime. I did watch one recently in which a female voice really struck me as intriguing and even sexy so I looked up who it was and found out she'd done a voice in another (extremely different) anime I'd watched years ago and had an "Oh, she did that character as well" moment but there's no further connection and I don't ever put a face to the name, or even a name to the voice. She has done dozens of anime though, many extremely popular so she was no doubt chosen by the studio specifically to voice that character.
I can clearly understand how it can be different though to the hard core 'youthful' anime customer in Japan, and how anime studios can hire certain well-known seiyuu as a means to make more money. But this is life. This is capitalism. I don't know where it'll end.
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While further researching this issue I stumbled upon a link to this bit of horrifying perversity. Only check it out if you would like to gaze upon the true face of what otaku culture has become. You will not emerge unscathed.
I stopped at 4 seconds.
I apologize to the world for it's existence because whoever made this won't.
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The Japanese fixation on cuteness in many forms (toys, clothing, etc) is I think a cultural backlash against the times. In that respect I don't have too big an issue with it. In itself its harmless and brings a bit of fun into many people's daily grind.
I like your analysis here, but I don't think the culture of cuteness is totally harmless, at least not where gender relations are concerned. Don't you think it's a little demeaning to women? I mean it's totally infantilizing. Men are being taught that childlike innocence, helplessness, and yep, stupidity, are all desirable traits, while women are actually expected to act like toddlers in order to be desirable. That's messed up.
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I don't know that's going anywhere near that territory at all. Men aren't being taught that helpless dim girls are better than assertive intelligent girls in any way. Girls aren't necessarily seeing Asahina Mikuru as a role model, I'm pretty sure of that.
I think its just a passing fashion and in a few years anime studios will grasp onto the next fad that sells best.
To me the trend to seemingly include more flashes of girls underwear or a gratuitous beach episode in every series is much more worrying for anime than stereotyping women.
I have to court everyone's displeasure here and say that I played all those sound files at the same time and found it quite amusing, like being in an aviary when a falcon is hovering about.
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Sorry Saddles, but I'm gonna pull the "I live in Japan" card. Girls are definitely encouraged to act like sweet helpless dimwitted anime characters. You see it all over the place. They'll pretend to not know how to do something extremely basic in order to seem cute. Media affect the way people behave, that's pretty much incontrovertible fact by now. What do you think is the effect of all these cutesy, mindless, childlike, highly sexualized characters? And how much more often would you say characters like that appear in anime, compared to intelligent assertive women?
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Something I've heard time and again from people who have just been in Japan for a year is that you really do see this all the time, for example falsely high-pitched voices that are used only when guys are around. I mentioned earlier that this is popular in anime because there's a market for it, and it's true outside of that too: because enough people like it and expect it, many girls and women to emulate that behaviour.
I wouldn't really call it a passing fad either, as cuteness in various forms has been a popular trend for a loooong time now, even if it's only now that anime is being so swamped by it. Sure, in anime it's maybe more of an irritation than anything else, but it's symptomatic of more concerning things.
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Yeah, I was going to add that the whole cute fixation has been going on for more than forty years now (at least), so I don't know if it's quite as superficial a phenomenon as Saddletank seems to think. I'm guessing it's the result of some very ancient ideas mixing with a sudden influx of new influences. I'm sure Japanese culture will evolve (as it has for thousands of years) and some new aesthetic will eventually predominate, but I highly doubt that will happen overnight. Marketing has certainly fueled the kawaii craze, but is it at the root of it? Somehow I don't think so.
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If you are seeing this trend first hand, Orphic, I will be gracious and admit defeat in this debate!
I also so wish I could go to Japan...
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I like it in animes like K-ON, but i'd hate it in a Ghibli. Its not good for a serious anime. Well i guess its a bit okay in a serious anime, like misa misa in Death Note.
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I was not okay with Misa Misa in Death Note.
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I don't necessarily mind the exaggerated cutesy voices in themselves, I'm more bothered by the ubiquity of it. If it happened from time to time, or only in appropriate contexts, fine. But it seems to be everywhere, and that makes it really obnoxious to me.
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