I read somewhere (perhaps here?) that he was working on a manga. That isn't really retirement?

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I think that was already a finished work, a porco sequel of sorts I think.

Also, if Miyazaki ever retires, I think it will only be when he's six feet under Even Suzuki thinks that way, according to a fuzzy memory of a past interview with him. They say great men like him will never retire, and that includes many people like Gandhi, Warren Buffet, etc etc. They just don't see work as work, more as a task or a hobby.

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I read somewhere (perhaps here?) that he was working on a manga. That isn't really retirement?

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I think that was already a finished work, a porco sequel of sorts I think.

Also, if Miyazaki ever retires, I think it will only be when he's six feet under Even Suzuki thinks that way, according to a fuzzy memory of a past interview with him. They say great men like him will never retire, and that includes many people like Gandhi, Warren Buffet, etc etc. They just don't see work as work, more as a task or a hobby.

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i have not read nausicaa nor mononoke . but will try to read it if someone translates it.

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The Nausicaa manga already has an official translation. I've just been rereading my volumes, in fact.

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Not quite. The Mononoke-hime manga (that I know of) is only mildly related to the later film, and the film is the more substantial work by far. So it has nothing to do with Miyazaki wanting to give a "better ending".

But Nausicaa is a whole other story. The Nausicaa manga is far more substantial than the film, and the film had to rush to give a cinematic finish to an incomplete story. In fact, Miyazaki himself always regretted the way he ended the Nausicaa film.

Many consider the Nausicaa manga to be his best creation, better than all his films. I don't necessarily agree, but I can see where they're coming from.

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Post last edited by saviour2012 on 01.08.2014, 12:40 PM.

Well, I'm not sure I agree with the comparisons to Star Wars or those directors, or the comment on dubs, but that's a different discussion for a different time.

Whether you should read them or not is not really something I can answer. As a Ghibli enthusiast I find most things created by Miyazaki to be worth a read regardless of scope or length. I was simply making the point that the Nausicaa film is only a taste of the entire Nausicaa story and that the manga is one of his most highly regarded creations.

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Interesting. When I saw the title I found myself agreeing, but his explanation was a little different from what I was thinking. Rather than being an issue of the staff at animation studios, I think of the problem being that the industry these days involves a lot of pandering to that otaku audience. Studios make a lot of money from that demographic, so they either make stuff directly targeted at them, or include elements in other works that will have the same effect. So I'd say the problem stems from particular stereotypes and templates being perceived as lucrative (pretty accurate it would seem) and then being regurgitated to the point where they no longer resemble reality.

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This just seems to be a confirmation of my theory.

i liked these lines

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like this exist in real life"he means those girls dont exist)

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industry is full of otaku"cause it(animized anime) displays unrealistic characters and behavior.

problem is when i say the same thing many cant agree with me. LOL.

@arren
if i understand correctly you are saying money is the issue. But many other studios(in west asia europe) that make money dont need to emphasize on that animized version of people. it is a fact that the people in most studio want to make money without real hardwork. but there is a fact in arren's. that is studios want to be on the safe side. i understood this when i saw codegeass. that story could have easily said by normal characters but the studio wanted that it dont lose those stupid otakus so they made it like that.

Ghibli can only be ghibli to risk everything on a single movie is something only they can do. other people are just not confident enough.

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I had my monthly visit to Chinatown yester, during a trip to London. We went loads of places, but Chinatown and Tokyo Toys is always the highlight for me.

I got tons of noodles, Hello Panda biscuits and some T Shirts.

I came across a big group of girls, slightly younger than myself. They all went into Tokyo Toys and started fangirling about the Naruto stuff.

I said to one of the girls, what other anime do you watch.

The girls replied what's anime, I was done so done.

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Interesting. When I saw the title I found myself agreeing, but his explanation was a little different from what I was thinking. Rather than being an issue of the staff at animation studios, I think of the problem being that the industry these days involves a lot of pandering to that otaku audience. Studios make a lot of money from that demographic, so they either make stuff directly targeted at them, or include elements in other works that will have the same effect. So I'd say the problem stems from particular stereotypes and templates being perceived as lucrative (pretty accurate it would seem) and then being regurgitated to the point where they no longer resemble reality.

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I read between the lines and assumed Miyazaki was referring to girls with huge chests and other exaggerated body features, versus the in-proportion people he draws.

Saviour picked up on his comment that "Yeah girls like this exist in real life" and assumed he was saying they don't. I was seeing it the other way, with the drawing Miyazaki was doing being a typical in-proportion normal figure, so they do exist, his comment was that animators don't draw them that way.

I think Arren has it right; anime studios produce what sells and the stuff made is driven by the wants of the biggest markets, not the preferences of the animators and directors. If you pander to the biggest market, you'll always be pandering to the most uncritical and even the basest.

While I agree with Roarkiller that centain genres need certain treatments, and this applies in live action film as well, for example the larger than life comic book characters from Star Wars suit that film, while the gritty, realistic, cynical characters from Band of Brothers suit that one. That's not so much what Miyazaki is saying I don't think, more that why is there more Star Wars comic-book storytelling done and less gritty docu-tainment like Band of Brothers.

Market demand, as always.

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I read between the lines and assumed Miyazaki was referring to girls with huge chests and other exaggerated body features, versus the in-proportion people he draws.

Saviour picked up on his comment that "Yeah girls like this exist in real life" and assumed he was saying they don't. I was seeing it the other way, with the drawing Miyazaki was doing being a typical in-proportion normal figure, so they do exist, his comment was that animators don't draw them that way.

I think Arren has it right; anime studios produce what sells and the stuff made is driven by the wants of the biggest markets, not the preferences of the animators and directors. If you pander to the biggest market, you'll always be pandering to the most uncritical and even the basest.

While I agree with Roarkiller that centain genres need certain treatments, and this applies in live action film as well, for example the larger than life comic book characters from Star Wars suit that film, while the gritty, realistic, cynical characters from Band of Brothers suit that one. That's not so much what Miyazaki is saying I don't think, more that why is there more Star Wars comic-book storytelling done and less gritty docu-tainment like Band of Brothers.

Market demand, as always.

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Post last edited by saviour2012 on 01.31.2014, 03:44 PM.

He has to be referring to their physical shape because he's talking about drawing them. Drawing is an entirely visual thing, so he's talking about the look of the character.

If he meant the personality and types of characters his comments would be aimed at directors, voice casting directors and voice actors, but he's not talking about that.

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I think he's talking about both. Because, like Roar said, there are more and less realistic styles of drawing; I don't think he is criticizing Doraemon simply for adopting a cartoony style with disproportionate bodies. Animation can go a long way towards establishing the personality of a character, and, if the characters move realistically, can help ground even the most fantastic situations.

I definitely would agree that most anime characters seem to be animated based on how other anime characters are animated, not on any observation of the way real people move and behave. The reason Miyazaki's works are so universally beloved, I think, is that even when they are wildly fantastical, the characters are recognizably real. The reason the rest of anime is comparatively niche is that in 8 out of 10 cases the characters don't behave like human beings; the exaggerated reactions and superdeformed antics are something the average person will find baffling.

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Post last edited by Orphic Okapi on 01.31.2014, 07:02 PM.

I agree with Orphic. I do not believe that the physical shape of a character is all that Miyazaki was thinking about here. Yes, drawing is purely visual, but the art of drawing and animating movement and behaviour is about much more.

Anyways, this is not the first time that Miyazaki has shown his distaste for large segments of the anime industry in Japan, though it's the first time I've heard him use the term "otaku" by name.

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