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Some time ago we had a number of elimination games to see which movie, hero, etc was the most popular among Tavern members. I think it would be fun to do that kind of thing again, and maybe a little more often, in the future.
But before that, I decided it would be interesting to take a look at games and polls and stuff we've done before and make a ranking list, like you'd get with sports teams and stuff. Then it could change as we have more games and people's preferences change.
So I threw together a spreadsheet and gave everything points based on how well they did in various things on the forum. I used HataZaki's original elimination games for movies, heroes, heroines and villains. I also gave points based on the results of the more recent games FlareNetworkC started for movies, heroes and heroines. Then I incorporated the results of some polls and opinion threads from the last few years. I gave extra weight to Flare's movie elimination game as it's the most recent game to get very good participation and features almost all existing Ghibli features. I also made adjustments so that villains, for example, wouldn't impact the scores too much. Finally, I gave points for how many threads directly mention the movie in their title in the last ten pages of Ghibli discussions, points for the movies that feature in MyAnimeList's top 10 (these two aspects allow for the scores to change a little), and some bonus points to make up for some not featuring in older polls.
Some of the results are a bit surprising, and even with my adjustments the most recent films don't rank very highly, but I think in general it does a decent job of showing what is popular and what isn't on the Tavern. I hope we can have more games and polls soon so that I can update the rankings!
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I didn't want to make the first post horribly long so here are the current and past rankings and points:
[MARCH 2024]
1. Whisper of the Heart (156.5 points)
2. Spirited Away (155.5 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (119.5 points)
4. Kiki's Delivery Service (108 points)
5. My Neighbour Totoro (106.5 points)
6. Only Yesterday (104.5 points)
7. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (96.5 points)
8. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (86 points)
9. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (85.5 points)
10. When Marnie Was There (83 points)
11. Grave of the Fireflies (79 points)
12. Porco Rosso (78.5 points)
13. The Wind Rises (76.5 points)
14. The Boy and the Heron/How Do You Live? (73.5 points)
15. Howl's Moving Castle (66 points)
16. From Up on Poppy Hill (61.5 points)
17. Ponyo (61 points)
18. Ocean Waves (47 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (46 points)
=20. The Cat Returns (43.5 points)
=20. My Neighbours the Yamadas (43.5 points)
=22. Arrietty (39.5 points)
=22. Pom Poko (39.5 points)
24. Aya and the Witch (28 points)
25. Tales from Earthsea (25 points)
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[December 2023]
1. Spirited Away (142 points)
2. Princess Mononoke (135 points)
3. Whisper of the Heart (127.5 points)
4. Kiki's Delivery Service (117 points)
5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (103.5 points)
6. Only Yesterday (102.5 points)
7. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (96 points)
8. When Marnie Was There (84.5 points)
9. Porco Rosso (80.5 points)
10. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (79 points)
11. My Neighbour Totoro (75 points)
12. Grave of the Fireflies (74.5 points)
13. The Wind Rises (72 points)
14. Howl's Moving Castle (67 points)
15. From Up on Poppy Hill (62.5 points)
16. Ponyo (61 points)
17. The Boy and the Heron/How Do You Live? (52.5 points)
18. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (48 points)
19. Ocean Waves (45 points)
20. The Cat Returns (44.5 points)
21. My Neighbours the Yamadas (40 points)
22. Arrietty (38.5 points)
23. Pom Poko (34.5 points)
24. Aya and the Witch (28 points)
25. Tales from Earthsea (26 points)
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[October 2023]
1. Spirited Away (149 points)
2. Whisper of the Heart (146.5 points)
3. Kiki's Delivery Service (134.5 points)
4. Princess Mononoke (132.5 points)
5. Only Yesterday (102.5 points)
6. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (101.5 points)
7. When Marnie Was There (101 points)
8. My Neighbour Totoro (95 points)
9. Porco Rosso (94 points)
10. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (92.5 points)
11. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (84 points)
12. Howl's Moving Castle (81 points)
13. Grave of the Fireflies (74.5 points)
=14. From Up on Poppy Hill (63 points)
=14. The Wind Rises (63 points)
16. Ponyo (57 points)
17. The Boy and the Heron/How Do You Live? (49.5 points)
18. Ocean Waves (47 points)
19. The Cat Returns (45.5 points)
20. Lupin: The Castle of Cagliostro (43 points)
21. Pom Poko (33.5 points)
22. Aya and the Witch (30.5 points)
23. Arrietty (29.5 points)
24. Tales from Earthsea (25 points)
25. My Neighbours the Yamadas (23 points)
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[March 2023]
1. Whisper of the Heart (154.5 points)
2. Princess Mononoke (152 points)
3. Spirited Away (151.5 points)
4. Kiki's Delivery Service (145.5 points)
=5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (110.5 points)
=5. When Marnie Was There (110.5 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (107 points)
8. Only Yesterday (106 points)
9. Porco Rosso (104.5 points)
10. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (96.5 points)
11. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (90.5 points)
12. Grave of the Fireflies (87 points)
13. Howl's Moving Castle (78 points)
14. From Up on Poppy Hill (74.5 points)
15. Ponyo (72 points)
16. The Wind Rises (64.5 points)
17. Ocean Waves (62 points)
18. The Cat Returns (50 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (42 points)
20. Arrietty (33 points)
21. My Neighbours the Yamadas (29.5 points)
22. Tales from Earthsea (28.5 points)
23. Aya and the Witch (28 points)
24. Pom Poko (26.5 points)
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[December 2022]
1. Whisper of the Heart (157 points)
2. Kiki's Delivery Service (139.5 points)
3. Spirited Away (136.5 points)
4. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (117 points)
5. Princess Mononoke (113 points)
6. When Marnie Was There (106.5 points)
7. Only Yesterday (99 points)
8. My Neighbour Totoro (98 points)
9. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (90.5 points)
=10. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (90 points)
=10. Porco Rosso (90 points)
12. Grave of the Fireflies (85.5 points)
13. Howl's Moving Castle (75 points)
14. From Up on Poppy Hill (74.5 points)
15. Ponyo (67 points)
16. The Wind Rises (63.5 points)
17. Ocean Waves (59 points)
18. The Cat Returns (48 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (43 points)
20. Arrietty (32 points)
21. Aya and the Witch (29 points)
=22. Tales from Earthsea (28.5 points)
=22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (28.5 points)
24. Pom Poko (26.5 points)
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[September 2022]
1. Whisper of the Heart (168.5 points)
2. Spirited Away (135.5 points)
3. Kiki's Delivery Service (123.5 points)
4. When Marnie Was There (111.5 points)
5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (109 points)
6. Princess Mononoke (108 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (97.5 points)
8. Only Yesterday (97 points)
9. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (89 points)
10. Porco Rosso (86.5 points)
11. Grave of the Fireflies (81.5 points)
12. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (80 points)
13. Howl's Moving Castle (69.5 points)
14. From Up on Poppy Hill (68 points)
15. The Wind Rises (59 points)
16. Ponyo (58.5 points)
17. Ocean Waves (57 points)
18. The Cat Returns (44.5 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (42.5 points)
20. Aya and the Witch (31.5 points)
21. Arrietty (29 points)
22. Tales from Earthsea (26.5 points)
23. Pom Poko (24 points)
24. My Neighbours the Yamadas (22.5 points)
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[March 2022]
1. Whisper of the Heart (184.5 points)
2. Spirited Away (149.5 points)
3. Kiki's Delivery Service (132 points)
4. Princess Mononoke (125 points)
5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (121.5 points)
6. When Marnie Was There (117 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (110 points)
8. Only Yesterday (107 points)
9. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (106.5 points)
10. Porco Rosso (106 points)
11. Grave of the Fireflies (95 points)
12. Howl's Moving Castle (90.5 points)
13. From Up on Poppy Hill (83 points)
14. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (82.5 points)
15. Ocean Waves (68 points)
16. The Wind Rises (67 points)
17. The Cat Returns (58.5 points)
18. Ponyo (57 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (51.5 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (37.5 points)
21. Aya and the Witch (33.5 points)
22. The Secret World of Arrietty (28 points)
23. Pom Poko (27 points)
24. My Neighbours the Yamadas (26.5 points)
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[December 2021]
1. Whisper of the Heart (154.5 points)
2. Spirited Away (139 points)
=3. Princess Mononoke (125 points)
=3. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (125 points)
5. When Marnie Was There (112.5 points)
6. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (110 points)
7. Porco Rosso (108.5 points)
8. Only Yesterday (107.5 points)
9. My Neighbour Totoro (105.5 points)
10. Kiki's Delivery Service (99 points)
11. From Up on Poppy Hill (80 points)
=12. Grave of the Fireflies (78.5 points)
=12. Howl's Moving Castle (78.5 points)
14. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (77.5 points)
15. Ocean Waves (68 points)
16. The Wind Rises (65.5 points)
17. Ponyo (57 points)
18. The Cat Returns (56.5 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (52.5 points)
20. Aya and the Witch (39 points)
21. Tales from Earthsea (34.5 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (27.5 points)
23. The Secret World of Arrietty (27 points)
24. Pom Poko (25 points)
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[July 2021]
1. Whisper of the Heart (159.5 points)
2. Spirited Away (145.5 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (132.5 points)
4. When Marnie Was There (127.5 points)
5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (124 points)
6. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (110 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (109.5 points)
8. Kiki's Delivery Service (108.5 points)
9. Only Yesterday (107.5 points)
10. Porco Rosso (103 points)
11. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (87.5 points)
12. From Up on Poppy Hill (81.5 points)
13. Grave of the Fireflies (77 points)
14. Howl's Moving Castle (74 points)
15. Ocean Waves (70 points)
16. The Wind Rises (63.5 points)
17. The Cat Returns (58.5 points)
18. Ponyo (55.5 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (52.5 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (35.5 points)
21. Aya and the Witch (34 points)
=22. The Secret World of Arrietty (27.5 points)
=22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (27.5 points)
24. Pom Poko (25 points)
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[February 2021]
1. Whisper of the Heart (161 points)
2. Spirited Away (151 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (138 points)
4. When Marnie Was There (131 points)
5. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (129 points)
6. My Neighbour Totoro (116 points)
7. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (114.5 points)
8. Only Yesterday (108.5 points)
9. Kiki's Delivery Service (107 points)
10. Porco Rosso (105.5 points)
11. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (94.5 points)
12. From Up on Poppy Hill (89 points)
13. Howl's Moving Castle (78 points)
14. Grave of the Fireflies (77.5 points)
15. Ocean Waves (71.5 points)
16. The Wind Rises (70 points)
17. Ponyo (58.5 points)
18. The Cat Returns (57 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (53 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (38 points)
21. The Secret World of Arrietty (32 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (28 points)
23. Pom Poko (26.5 points)
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[December 2020]
1. Spirited Away (142 points)
2. Whisper of the Heart (134 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (133.5 points)
4. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (127.5 points)
5. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (117.5 points)
=6. Kiki's Delivery Service (107 points)
=6. My Neighbour Totoro (107 points)
8. Only Yesterday (103.5 points)
9. Porco Rosso (102.5 points)
10. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (91.5 points)
11. When Marnie Was There (89 points)
12. Grave of the Fireflies (76 points)
13. Howl's Moving Castle (75 points)
14. From Up on Poppy Hill (74.5 points)
15. Ocean Waves (68.5 points)
16. The Wind Rises (68 points)
17. The Cat Returns (59 points)
18. Ponyo (58.5 points)
19. Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro (53 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (35 points)
21. The Secret World of Arrietty (32 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (28 points)
23. Pom Poko (27.5 points)
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[March 2020]
1. Spirited Away (166.5 points)
2. Whisper of the Heart (153.5 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (141 points)
4. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (124 points)
5. Kiki's Delivery Service (121 points)
6. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (118 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (115.5 points)
8. Only Yesterday (111 points)
9. Porco Rosso (107 points)
10. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (101.5 points)
11. When Marnie Was There (93 points)
12. Howl's Moving Castle (78.5 points)
13. The Wind Rises (77 points)
14. Grave of the Fireflies (74.5 points)
15. From Up on Poppy Hill (74 points)
16. Ocean Waves (70.5 points)
17. The Cat Returns (65 points)
18. Ponyo (60 points)
19. Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro (54 points)
20. The Secret World of Arrietty (39 points)
21. Tales from Earthsea (38 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (30 points)
23. Pom Poko (24.5 points)
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[December 2019]
1. Whisper of the Heart (153 points)
2. Spirited Away (144.5 points)
3. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (142.5 points)
4. Princess Mononoke (140.5 points)
5. Only Yesterday (125 points)
6. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (122.5 points)
7. My Neighbour Totoro (122 points)
8. Porco Rosso (113.5 points)
9. Kiki's Delivery Service (109 points)
10. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (90 points)
11. Grave of the Fireflies (85.5 points)
12. Howl's Moving Castle (82.5 points)
13. The Wind Rises (81.5 points)
14. Ocean Waves (80 points)
15. When Marnie Was There (79.5 points)
16. From Up On Poppy Hill (77.5 points)
17. Ponyo (69.5 points)
18. The Cat Returns (67 points)
19. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (66 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (41 points)
21. The Secret World of Arrietty (37.5 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (34 points)
23. Pom Poko (33.5 points)
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[February 2019]
1. Whisper of the Heart (158 points)
2. Spirited Away (149 points)
3. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (137.5 points)
4. Princess Mononoke (136 points)
5. Only Yesterday (131 points)
6. My Neighbour Totoro (120 points)
7. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (115 points)
8. Porco Rosso (105 points)
9. Kiki's Delivery Service (97 points)
10. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (90.5 points)
11. Ocean Waves (80 points)
=12. Grave of the Fireflies (76.5 points)
=12. When Marnie Was There (76.5 points)
14. From Up on Poppy Hill (74 points)
15. Howl's Moving Castle (72 points)
16. The Wind Rises (63.5 points)
17. The Cat Returns (62.5 points)
18. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (59 points)
19. Ponyo (57 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (39 points)
21. My Neighbours the Yamadas (34.5 points)
22. Pom Poko (32 points)
23. The Secret World of Arrietty (29 points)
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November 2017
1. Laputa: Castle in the Sky (166 points)
2. Whisper of the Heart (158.5 points)
3. Princess Mononoke (156 points)
4. Spirited Away (154 points)
5. Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (139 points)
6. Only Yesterday (137 points)
7. Porco Rosso (133.5 points)
8. My Neighbour Totoro (114.5 points)
9. Kiki's Delivery Service (107 points)
10. Ocean Waves (92.5 points)
11. From Up on Poppy Hill (89.5 points)
12. Howl's Moving Castle (86 points)
13. Grave of the Fireflies (80.5 points)
14. The Wind Rises (76.5 points)
15. The Cat Returns (72.5 points)
16. Lupin III: The Castle of Cagliostro (71.5 points)
17. Ponyo (70 points)
18. The Tale of Princess Kaguya (69.5 points)
19. When Marnie Was There (53.5 points)
20. Tales from Earthsea (39 points)
21. Pom Poko (37 points)
22. My Neighbours the Yamadas (36 points)
23. The Secret World of Arrietty (34 points)
If you have any questions about it please ask!
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So my idea is that when we have other games or polls, the results can be added as new factors in the rankings.
For example, some time ago I thought it would be fun to do a game that's like a tournament, with pools and knockout rounds. The results of each contest and the overall standings would then be reflected here.
Of course, if you DO want to compose your own list of favourites, maybe we can make a thread doing that, and when enough people have answered it could be the first new thing that affects the rankings!
Basically I just thought it would be fun to get an idea of what's generally popular, and also encourage more related threads. ![](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Alright, enjoy!
One thing that might be a good idea is asking people to put the movies into tiers (like A, B, C, D, E) to get more responses. When I was putting this together I found that the threads asking people to just put everything in order had a lot of only partial answers. If you don't have people perfectly ordering all their preferences, they might find it easier to join in.
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Interesting list. The more recent films perhaps get less favourable results because I think the years ending with Spirited Away or maybe Howl are seen as Ghibli's "classic years" with all their great films produced by then. After that Miyazaki appears to have relied more on either other directors in Ghibli or used non-original source material with a consequent change in content.
Maybe he really should have done a Beatles and retired at the peak of his skill after Spirited Away.
I am not sure the Tavern has enough active members now to conduct another meaningful survey.
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I know what you mean about the last point. Then again, even though I did this just for fun at first, I did start thinking that it could be a way to encourage greater activity again. It would be nice if some older members came back for a look!
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I find it SUPER interesting that Laputa is no.1 considering for me it's probably one of the Studio Ghibli films I'm the least interested in and had the least impact on me.
I'm more aware of how popular WotH is with people on the forum, even though once again it isn't a favourite of mine - I find it a bit too twee.
I think poor Pom Poko is a little hard done by and I would certainly rate Ponyo above From Up On Poppy Hill. I mean the fact that From Up On Poppy Hill beats out Grave of the Fireflies and The Cat Returns is also bonkers to me! So funny to see how different everyone's tastes are ![](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I was pretty surprised by Laputa as well, but it tends to do well in everything. I suppose that compared to, say, Whisper of the Heart, that has a small number of very vocal fans, Laputa is one that everyone rates pretty highly even if it's fewer people's favourite.
I actually enjoyed Poppy Hill so I'm happy to see it do well, but it's odd that it did so much better than other newer films. And Grave of the Fireflies actually doesn't do very well in many of these Tavern polls and stuff. Maybe it's just too polarising.
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oh wow, the spammer actually bothered to register here. what's this place google page rank/
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They actually appear quite often, but luckily for you, you don't usually have to see them.
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That is like a forum I belong to where I am an admin and I caught a lot of spam and porn that I deleted as soon as I was aware of it. It doesn't happen hardly at all now... Now it is mostly accepting or declining memberships based on what the fill in as their profile, how many groups they belong to and I have a single question in the application that must be answered. If the answer is reasonable and all other things seem ok, I approve.
If the applicant has memberships in 235 groups (for example) I feel that they are merely joining as many as possible for the count and are declined. If all of their profile (example where from is dips**t, KS,
I decline... Had one today who was worse...
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The owner of the site has expressed her belief in my judgement in these matters as I used to run them by her before I did anything and she always agreed with my proposed action.
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Why are we filling this rankings thread with OT crap all caused by a spammer? Arren, could you delete these posts and keep the thread about the Ghibli stuff?
If people want to ramble on about their lives, we have other threads for that.
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I feel that could have been put more delicately, Saddles.
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...or not put at all. What good is complaining about off-topic posts if you're adding to them in the process? Let's just drop the subject.
On topic, maybe we should actually have a go at a new poll/survey thing. It might be a bit slow in getting responses, but at least making a start could encourage others to join in.
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In case anyone was wondering (I hope you were!), the ongoing Ghibli Cup WILL affect the rankings.
After the tournament ends, I will do a ranking update. I'll remove one or two of the oldest polls, etc from consideration, remove the double weighting for the movie elimination game, and incorporate the results of the Ghibli Cup. I might give the cup extra weighting for the time being, but ultimately I'll decide that based on what has the most exciting impact without making it too hard for lower-placed films in the future.
So how will it work?
In the group stage, everything will get ranking points based on its final position in the group, with multipliers for those that place higher than their current ranking would suggest. One exception is that any top-8 title that fails to progress to the quarter finals will receive 0.
The knockout stages are simpler. The winner of a quarter final gets 2 ranking points, a semi final winner gets 5 and the champion gets 10. There are also extra points in the event that something beats a higher-ranked opponent, based on the difference in their rankings. Also, a higher-ranked loser will receive minus points.
Calculating everything and checking that I haven't made mistakes might take a bit of time, so it won't happen immediately after the final, but you can probably expect to see that update some time in mid-February.
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i really did not expect to see Nasicaa on top 5 as you guys dont seem to like it much. Very pleased. This is my favorite.
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Then you might be disappointed by the Ghibli Cup results... Nausicaa will probably drop down a bit when I update the rankings.
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