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There isn't another word that means "all powerful"...
If you know of one please tell me 
Synonyms for omnipotent include: almighty, divine, godlike, mighty, supreme, unlimited, unrestricted, absolute, all-powerful, controlling, invincible.
Synonyms for God include: Jehovah, absolute being, all knowing, all powerful, almighty, creator, daemon, deity, demigod, demon, divine being, divinity, father, holiness, holy spirit, idol, infinite spirit, lord, maker, man upstairs, numen, omnipotent(notice how it's near the end?), power, prime mover, providence, soul, spirit, totem, tutelary, world spirit.
Now that that's cleared up, let the next person ask or add something in regards to this topic. Personally I would like a summary of Evolution. So far we've had bits and pieces.
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yeah, okay then... wise guy with your theasurus...
but none of those synonymes describe how he's limitless in terms of power.
I could be invincible, almighty, divine, mighty, supreme and absolute. None of that means I'm then most powerful entity in the whole of existance... does it?
I don't like the fact that a synonym for God is demon... they're two entirely different things in my mind. God is the ultimate being, the creator of all and the sustainer of all. Demons are figments of human imagination used to describe evil and suffering poetically.
I had an exam on Islam today. One of the questions was 'describe Muslim beliefs about the soul' ~ what do you think about the soul? Does it exist? Is it divine? Does it make humans special? Does it affect you? Too many questions! 
Meh, why break the habit of a lifetime, Shiawase? *screams at the top of his voice* OMNIPOTENT!! ... sorry, I shouldn't have done that
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I found this on wikipedia.com as I was reading up on western Buddhism....
"Some, mainly American convert Buddhists including Jack Kerouac, are recently incorporating Jesus into Buddhism. They claim that Jesus is a bodhisattva* in that he achieved a very high degree of enlightenment."
*Bodhisattva: In Tibetan Buddhism, a Bodhisattva is anyone who is motivated by compassion and seeks enlightenment not only for him/herself but also for everyone. Full Description of Bodhisattva
Anyways on with my post...
Firstly, I find it quite unsettling that a synonym for God is demon. I agree they are two separate Ideas. Nothing more, no similarities. Demons are spirits who chose to arise in the realm of Hell as is a God - a spirit who chose to arise in the realm of Gods(Buddhism).
Secondly, a soul is a living thing. So to speak that is. It dwells with-in us, we own it. All the deities/Gods we can imagine, including Satan (<-- this word hasn't appeared the whole thread!), wish to take posession of our soul.
When posessed, we see what God or Satan wants us to see (whoever posesses you).
The soul is the membrane or nucleus of our mind. Mind in Buddhist context (the one which I will always favour) comprises these four groups: Feeling, Memory/Recognition, Mental Formations and Consciousness. The soul controls and flex's all the thoughts our mind thinks and recognizes. Our mind is controlled by our soul. If our mind is wicked then the truths of the world that our soul perceives and sends to our minds is perverted(not porno perverted but false truth perverted). Unless you've been enlightened then your mind is wicked. Your mind sees what it wants to see and the world around you is molded to fit the contours of your mind. Everyone views the world differently. Everyone's soul is equal and the exact same. It is our mind that distorts the truths of our world that our soul absorbs. The soul cleanses the mind.. if we let it.
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I found some interesting things on wikipedia.com, here's a chart for Buddhist Population By Country
Did you know there are 708,000,000 (million) estimated Buddhists on the entire planet?
And 2,135,783,000 estimated Christians.
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sorry to break your flow shiawase, the buddism thing is massivly interesting - its really cool that you take such an interest in it - it is a beautiful way of life .
but i have a question thats plagued me since i was young and has never been satifactoraly explained to me. it was in the list of synonyms for god shiawase posted, so it made me think of it.
the holy spirit???
is it simply a synonym for god
now i was expecting phyrra to be the man for this job. but then i realised that you are protestant. In fact, a member of the united reformed branch of Christianity to be super exact (hehe cut and paste) and i think that the following quote is catholic, though i think i might be wrong on that as i type this, but perhaps your seemingly vast religous knowledge (or anyone elses, vast or otherwise) could exend to telling me what exactly is the holy spirit?????????????
the father the son and the holy spirit.
- doesnt it go something like that?
so presumably the father (god right?) and the holy spirit (which is who knows what?) are infact two seperate things.
so what precisely is it, the holy spirit.
and do christians believe in ghosts otherwise, except for the holy spirit i mean?
sorry really two questions there.
apologies for being a bit random, but i thought it was a religion thread and that this might be a prime time to ask my burning question.
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The Christians (or catholics) believe that Jesus is God himself, only in human form, and somewhere I heard that the holy spirit would be Jesus's reincarnation.
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Originally posted by Phyrra I had an exam on Islam today. One of the questions was 'describe Muslim beliefs about the soul' ~ what do you think about the soul? Does it exist? Is it divine? Does it make humans special? Does it affect you? Too many questions!
Did you know that I either fail or just pass most of my religious studies exams? I don't think I would've answered that question correctly either, or incomplete.
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Originally posted by micg huz
the holy spirit???
is it simply a synonym for god
now i was expecting phyrra to be the man for this job. but then i realised that you are protestant... what exactly is the holy spirit?????????????
and do christians believe in ghosts otherwise, except for the holy spirit i mean?
sorry really two questions there.
Yay! I'd love to explain micg huz...
Right. Christians believe that after Jesus died, and rose from the dead, and went back to heaven (the ascention), God sent the holy spirit to live on with the world. The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity. The trinity is a way of explain the same God, but in different ways. For example. I am always Daniel. Sometimes I am Dan the religous explainer, sometimes Dan the writer and other times Dan the swimmer; but I am always the same Daniel. The trinity shows how God's relationship with His people can be expressed in different ways.
The Holy Spirit is part of the trinity. It represents the part of God that gives courage and guidance. God is still one God ~ the holy siprit is just one way of describing the part of Him that helps us on earth. The "Holy Spirit" is also called the "Holy Ghost", but is not one single entity ~ just a part of God that helps people on earth.
I have to go and eat now, but I'll talk about Ghosts later...  spooky!
I hope that helps  . Anything else? I really like being able to answer questions that people actually want to know; as opposed to questions teachers ask in full knowledge of the answer... 
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Ghosts and spirits hey...hmm. Christians believe in both of them. The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity as stated before. Now I don't know if you'd go as far as calling them ghosts but the invisible entities that thrash our bodies and mind are existent and conceivable(sp?). Ghosts or Spirits either from Hell or Heaven roam this world. Now the Holy Spirit is in fact God's spirit. Phyrra I'm not too sure it's the 'part' of God that gives courage and guidance. I'd just say it's the only real form of God we have left. One can be consumed entirely by the Holy Spirit and lose control of their body, this has happened to me before. I'm pretty sure I mentioned this once but when you get a touch from God (Holy Spirit) it's usually quite blissful even though you cry or laugh uncontrollably. One can also speak in 'tongues', meaning 'a language only understood by God Himself' when the Holy Spirit resides in you. I wonder if anyone can relate with this one other than myself.
So to answer straightforward I'd say yes we believe in Ghosts/Spirits and the Holy Spirit is God on earth.
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We do believe in both of them? I certainly don't!
Ghosts? pah! Where does it mention in the New testament about ghosts? No, I don't believe in spirits or ghosts whatsoever. God created humans, and placed them at the pinncile of creation, holding dominion over the animals. Demons/ satan/ devils/ ghosts/ supernatural phenomena are all poetic descriptions crafted by story tellers over fires thousands of years ago to describe evil and good and their consciences...
meh, that's my personal opinion. I've never seen a spirit. They've never made themselves known to me, and I'm quite content if they keep themselves a secret.
Actually, I'm being pretty narrow minded here. I haven't really opened my eyes to the possibility of them existing. It's just ridiculous. Ok, look who's talking. Some teenager who thinks there's a God becasue a book says so. While I may not have much proof for the existance of God, I have no proof for the existance of spirits.
For all we know there could be a giant Imp watching us all run around in its garden, while proding us with sticks. I have as much proof for that as for ghosts existing.
No, the Holy Spirit is part of the trinity; a part of God. A way of describing the immense nature of God. Sorry Shiawase, I've been quite harsh here...nothing personal.
Spirits and ghosts? Pull the other one ~ it's got bells on.
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WOW... my last post was my opinion remember. I've felt spirits, I've been touched by the Holy Ghost that resided in me, I experienced these things myself so that's what I believe to be the truth. Spirits are in this world. Demons do run rampant prodding us with sticks, we just can't see them. When the name of the Lord is spoken though, demons have no choice but to flee. Hmm, I'll try to find in scripture where it talks about Spirits and demons. Not now though I don't have time. Anyways, are you a member of a church or youth group Phyrra? If you havn't experienced these things I urge to look into it. Not all churches believe in the Holy Ghost though, they don't believe He can touch you or allow you to speak in tongues. Man I need to find scriptural evidence to back me up but you must believe me.
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Oh Shiawase, you've roiled the waters of my memory...
Yeah, I used to go to a youth group run by a Church, but there was an age limit and eventually I had to leave...
Trouble is, while it was amazing fun, the group leader told you what to believe, for example, during the communal prayers at the end, a little 6 year old plucked up the courage and tearfully asked God to help her because her hamster had died.
The leader said, "pets don't go to heaven, you'll never see your hamster again, don't be silly. It didn't have a soul anyway."
I thought this was ridiculous, and extremely mean too. The other leaders had to comfort the crying girl while the leader refused to see what he had said wrong...
Here's some thing about the Holy Spirit from John 14; verse 26:
"the Councellor, the Holy Spirit... will remind you of everything I have said to you."
It doesn't tell us much, but I was looking quickly. i do go to Church, but my brother and I are the only children who go often. The rest are old people. Sometimes, I'm the only child there... *cries*
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thanks for your informative answers guys.
im much clearer now (i think) on what exactly the holy spirit/ghost is.
its an alternate form of/explanation of/incarnation of god right?
sort of sent as a replacement for jesus when he ascended to heavan so god could be with us on earth in some form?
sum ting like that me thinks.
is the holy trinity thing part of catholasism then or is it presant in other form of christianity as well?
im quoting you here phyrra
'Demons/ satan/ devils/ ghosts/ supernatural phenomena are all poetic descriptions crafted by story tellers'
so does that mean you do not believe in satan the devil?
though i thought it a neccacery part of christian dogma? after all somethings got to stoke the fires of hell right? is it not the neccacery opposite of heavan?
was a bit confused by that.
and ghosts???. hmmmmmmmmm, i used to think id seen them when i was much much younger ("i see dead people " , and can actually still remember some of the places and a bit of what it was like. but they are quite likely false memories (or perhaps im just too old and boring, out of toach with the fairies and stuff) - besides i may have been a bit of a wierd kid.
but ive certainly known people who are quite convinced of their existance or of the presence of some type of spirit or another.
i must say im far too sceptical to beleive strongly in the pressence of any kind of specific spirit entity, be it ghost or god.
i just need a miracale
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is the holy trinity thing part of catholasism then or is it presant in other form of christianity as well?
im quoting you here phyrra
'Demons/ satan/ devils/ ghosts/ supernatural phenomena are all poetic descriptions crafted by story tellers'
so does that mean you do not believe in satan the devil?
though i thought it a neccacery part of christian dogma? after all somethings got to stoke the fires of hell right? is it not the neccacery opposite of heavan?
That's right ~ A* answer for what the Holy Spirit is there Micg Huz
Devil... Satan... call him what you will, no, I don't believe in a devil or hell. I believe that those who don't believe in Jesus won't be sent to the firey pits, but will just experience no afterlife. While those who do believe go and spend eternity with God and be rewarded, those who didn't will get no reward. Their punishment will be an eternity of nothing. They will cease to exist, and that's that.
The devil is mentioned in the Bible. He influences King David in Chronicles and is a main character in Job. However, I think that the devil is a metaphoric description for evil. Evil is an extension of God, not of some opposing force. There is God, and any angels, demons or heavenly messengers are just extensions of God, and his relationship with us.
So no, I don't believe in an opposition to heaven of any kind.. Evil only exists because without it, good wouldn't exist. Without evil, free-will wouldn't exist. Evil is therefore a good thing ~ how can it come from a bad being?
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but surely if it claimes the devils existance in the bible as it does gods and if you believe that god is a literal equivilant to good then how come you think satan is merely a metaphor for evil.?
however i think you are saying that as god is everything (he is omnipotant ) then everything then must be a part of him, as are we, as is the universe as is evil itself and any ideas we might have about evil, such a satan.
so, evil is part of good - so good contains evil - good can be evil??? perhpas not. sorry random
and as has been claimed earlier in this thread god is able to knows every action we will make, be them good or bad. further more any bad action we make is drawn apon his potentiality for evil, in that he/she (do you mind if i all god it?) is goodness and good contains evil. okay sorry this was going somewhere and then i talked to me mum on the phone for ages and lost the plot completly. basicaly i think i was saying somethin like - if you dont give evil to the devil then you have to give it to god and if god knows all and we get our evil from god and also god knows what were going to do with that evil then god is the source of all evil -and not satan, as is traditionaly held.
sorry im completly going of on one, excuse me.
the conversation with my mother though was relavent to this post: she informed me of the date.
creepy, dooh duh dooo doo duh duh doo doo (thats creepy music by the way)
ooh gosh soooooooo sorry - just one more thing! ;
if evil only exists becouse of its opposition to good, as you
you say phrra then is the same not true of heavan and hell, are they too not co-dependant on each other, as binery opposties? i think you might say something like - 'evil exist as some terrible yet necceacery part of good' and hell merely exists as a reprasentation of that evil in the minds of some people. though perhpas not???
okay actually two more things and i promise il never post again: - i find it interesting that you, phyrra think non beleivers go no where when they die, as i thought the general idea in christinalty was that they went to hell. but you totaly reject satan and so assighn the non believrs to non existance after death. this is interesting. perhaps a buddist might want to use evil as an easy means to nirvana, 'sod all this meditation im just going to go maiming and pilaging'  hee hee just joking. sorry again for the length - if you even made it this far .
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i find it interesting that you, phyrra think non beleivers go no where when they die, as i thought the general idea in christinalty was that they went to hell. but you totaly reject satan and so assighn the non believrs to non existance after death. this is interesting. perhaps a buddist might want to use evil as an easy means to nirvana, 'sod all this meditation im just going to go maiming and pilaging' hee hee just joking.
A person is not Buddhist if they wish to use evil means to get anywhere. They will choose to arise as a Titan, Hungry Ghost or an animal in their next life if they choose the path of evil. You are correct, you need a Hell to oppose Heaven. It's classic. God cast Lucifer out of Heaven for boasting to the other Angels about being the most beautiful of them all, which he was! God sent Him to spend eternity on Earth. God does control good and evil. Satan asks permission from God before performing any evil deeds. Remember Job? God allowed Satan to toy with Job. God argued that Job would not say the Lord's name in vain, he would not blame God for any misfortunes that befell him. Satan was granted permission and forever will be under God's great mercy. God sent him there to rot and God can take him right back out but only if Satan wants to. Which he doesn't...
Oh and Phyrra, I used to attend church and a great Youth Group but the people started to get to me. I was being touched by God but I could not stand the quarrels and rumours that spread through my church so I left several months ago. I used to get touches from God and pray and whatnot but now I choose not to. I am on the Left-Hand path, I choose Buddhism now.
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According to Islam, Satan got thrown out of heaven for being too arrogant, refusing to respect Adam when God ordered him to do so because he was created from earth, while Satan was created from fire, which in his opinion is of a higher stature.
Never heard of the being beautiful story before.
I once heard a rumour from a friend of mine that while Jesus is claimed to be the son of God, this has never actually been stated in either testaments, nor any gospels. Juz wondering.
And the question on the date of Jesus's birth being in March/April, yet being celebrated on December 25th.
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I've never heard of this before Roarkiller. I know Jesus was resurrected in March, I dunno about being born though. I'm sure it's been stated somewhere in the Bible that Jesus is Son of God, honestly That's what everyone thinks so I guess they have some proof. Again I'll have to dig up my Bible and find some scriptures for you guys.
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quote:
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I once heard a rumour from a friend of mine that while Jesus is claimed to be the son of God, this has never actually been stated in either testaments, nor any gospels. Juz wondering.
And the question on the date of Jesus's birth being in March/April, yet being celebrated on December 25th.
I barely have to open my Bible and I find a Jesus is the son of God quotation...
Let's see... The first verse of Matthew's gospel says: "Jesus Christ, the Son of God"
There are tons more references in both the new and old testaments! Glad to have cleared that up...
The Bible doesn't actually give a date for Jesus' birth ~ and if it did, their calendar would have been different to ours. But! A shepherd brought a lamb to Jesus, so it must have been in spring some time... the 25th December is just a Roman festival we've adopted to celebrate Christmas on.
Hell is certainly part of Christianity, I just don't think that it's literal. It's like Joahna (did I spell that right?) being swallowed by the whale and living inside its stomach for a while. I think that's impossible, and that it's a metaphor. I think that genesis is a metaphor; I think that most of the Bible is a metaphor! That includes descriptions of the afterlife.
If we were literalists (which I'm not), then we might say that hell exists as an opposition to heaven. Some Christians say that heaven and hell cannot be understood by the human mind ~ it exists in another dimension without the laws of nature or physics, so we can't imagine it. I agree with this. The fires of hell are mentioned in the Qur'an ~ "I warn you of the flaming fire" but this too could be a metaphor.
My personal belief is that there is no hell. Everything comes from God, suffering, evil, pain, death along with love and joy. There are Christians who would disagree, but this is one of those dodgy areas where nothing is set in stone.
In fact, nothing is set in stone in religion, that's why I'm totally in love with it !
OH! I realise what you're getting at micg huz! I do agree that evil has to exist for good to exist, but heaven and hell don't. Heaven is eternity with God, hell is one interpretation of something humans will never understand. The opposite to heaven, if you like, would be no heaven ~ eternity without God, where we exist with nothing. That's all my view though 8]
I hold the belief that you described micg huz ~ evil is part of God, not Satan. Many Christians believe in an opposing force, whose power is limited by God, but not me. Evil and Good all come from God.
hehe, I doubt many of you, if any, read all this, but I hope you understood what you did read!
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ive never thought of the bible that way. thats a good point though. i know at my school the jr's are required to study a book called inferno which talks about the levels of hell.
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No where in the Bible does it say "Johna was swallowed by something like a while, metaphorically speaking." or "You will all go to a place kinda like heaven but not really if you allow me to enter your heart." That's not what's understood when you read it. God's word, The Truth, God manifest in writing, in a book, the God of Truth would not lie or twist our mentality into thinking that Daniel persuaded the lions to eat his best friend while Daniel ran for it. NO! Angels came down and clamped the lions mouth shut and Daniel ascended from the den. No metaphor here, or there, or anywhere for that matter. Hell exists. Here in Canada some oil rigs were drilling deep into the earth when they began to hear agonizing screams bellow from with-in the earth. They stopped drilling there pretty darn fast. Souls suffer in Hell, both in Christian and Buddhist beliefs, souls suffer in Hell. I too find it hard to believe but that's where faith comes in. God said it so I must believe Him. Heaven is beyond our realm. Souls are beyond our realm which means.. wherever a soul goes after the body it possess's dies is beyond us because souls have their own place: Heaven and Hell.
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