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Originally posted by Kazegami
You know, when you think about it, it's absolutely freaking bizarre that any human in the world has a problem with nudity. It's beyond bizarre.



well
we know we have six basic needs

food

cloth

shelter

treatment

education

security

so in my opinion it is freaking bizarre that any non apocalyptic or non prehistoric primitive human being to be naked in public.

For the last few days i tried not to comment but i just could not resist.


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well this is a good move to block porn from isp

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/uk-prim...rnet,23643.html

however they needed to do some homework too

it will not be very satisfactory if they cant prevent proxy to some level.

as it is UK i think this technology implementation is not to stop porn but rather to stop sites like wikileaks before it even gets popular.

@saddletank hey remember you said no censoring in western countries. i said earlier that they had this but not officially , now after announcing they should be able to block any site just saying it contains porn.

do not want to go on details all again

but one quick info something that is blocked is not searchable if that is not popular from a earlier time.so you can not get those government punching news anymore.


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quote:
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You know, when you think about it, it's absolutely freaking bizarre that any human in the world has a problem with nudity. It's beyond bizarre.




What's weird is that people get offended over it. They get offended over things that they see and touch every day in the shower. It's weird and hypocritical to be completely comfortable with your own naked body and yet squeamish about everyone else's.

Also I'm not at all happy about that internet thing. It should be opt-in to censorship, not the other way around.


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That is part of the problem with censorship. Some people are not comfortable with their own bodies, much less someone else's. Basically, we are all variations of the same theme... If it is not your thing, then don't look, but do not tell others that they can't look because of your own hang-ups.

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the problem is what IS bad in your own opinion

to my view showing your body and showing your sniper rifle or Gatling gun is same

and as far as i understand you guys to you showing your body is like showing your new Porsche or Ferrari.


but whatever showing off is bad according to even you guys so showing body should be bad too. but that is not the case and that is where my problem begins cause i think that person is being hippocrates


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the problem is what IS bad in your own opinion

to my view showing your body and showing your sniper rifle or Gatling gun is same

and as far as i understand you guys to you showing your body is like showing your new Porsche or Ferrari.


but whatever showing off is bad according to even you guys so showing body should be bad too. but that is not the case and that is where my problem begins cause i think that person is being hippocrates

It's neither in my view. It's neither a thing to be hidden nor a thing to be shown off. Inherently it's a neutral thing, it's only social conditioning that teaches us to hide it or show it.

Showing something doesn't amount to showing off. I show my hair, my eyes, my hands every day, but I'm not showing them off. I don't have enough pride to show them off, nor enough shame to hide them. On hot days I'd like to walk around topless. Why? Because it's cooler, not because I want people to see how fabulous my upper body is. Problem is my body is still mostly female, so social barriers force me to keep a top on no matter how hot it gets.


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I think that you mean hypocritical or saying one thing and doing another.

I disagree with your terminology in one respect. When I went nude, I was not showing off my body. I am a fat person and as such do not think I was showing off when I went nude in front of others. I went nude because it felt good and if others thought my body was grotesgue then that was their problem, not mine.

It was a new experience that I thought I would try and I found that I enjoyed it, I didn't do it very often, because it is not something that is appropriate for everyday in our modern world. I soon learned that any 'physical' manifestations that might occur from being around nude women soon diminished and went away as it became natural to be in that environment.

Again, it is not everybody's cup of tea. As the saying goes, "different strokes for different folks"


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quote:
Originally posted by Kazegami
Also I'm not at all happy about that internet thing. It should be opt-in to censorship, not the other way around.


Agreed. I'm very annoyed by the idea that this will mean having to sign up for a special porn list to have unrestricted internet access. That list could be used for anything.


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@saddletank hey remember you said no censoring in western countries. i said earlier that they had this but not officially , now after announcing they should be able to block any site just saying it contains porn.

do not want to go on details all again
No, I never said that. I said no western government censors the internet... or even the media in any way. Private individuals like Robert Maxwell have their own political agenda and slant the news they provide but what I said is completely true.

I think actualy the basic human needs are:

water
food
shelter

That's probably it. I have no idea where concepts like 'treatment', 'education' and 'security' come from but no way are the the base human needs.

You might probably add kinship/friendship in there very near a basics list too, and warmth but that could come under 'shelter'. Warmth need not mean clothing, it could mean a fire. Fire is maybe #4 on that list basically as its also a means to cook food and boil water so its drinkable.

When people talk of base, or basic needs they are thinking about what primitive cavemen sought first or what a person in a civilised society might reasonably be expected to secure first for themselves after, say, an apocalyptic event like an earthquake or zombie rising


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Originally posted by Kazegami
Also I'm not at all happy about that internet thing. It should be opt-in to censorship, not the other way around.


Agreed. I'm very annoyed by the idea that this will mean having to sign up for a special porn list to have unrestricted internet access. That list could be used for anything.

That's not how I read that article, unless the article is just unclear.

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When someone sets up a new broadband account, the family friendly filter settings will be automatically selected. Clicking 'Next' will switch them on and they will apply to any device on your network. They can only be disabled by the account holder.
That seems to imply that when a customer sets up a new account they just choose to have the filter on or off. "They can only be disabled by the account holder" doesn't mean the account holder has to tell anyone what settings they wish to use, presumably it's done via some software in the router set-up or start-up account settings.

People already know what websites you're browsing so its hardly an invasion of privacy.


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What might look like hypocrisy in Western countries is probably more often a difference of views among people within Western countries, who individually are not hypocrites. Sometimes it is real hypocrisy though.

Clothing is a basic human need, when it is needed for protection from the elements. In some climates, or some seasons, it is not strictly a need.

I do think that friendship, community, or just 'human contact' can also be considered a basic need. Not everyone perhaps, but many people would lose their minds without human contact for extended periods. Solitary confinement in prison provides food, water, and shelter, but still easily strips people of their sanity.

I don't have a major problem with porn, although like other forms of entertainment, I think it can be abused. It's possible for people to pick up some unrealistic and unhealthy ideas by confusing fantasy situations with reality. That of course also applies to ordinary TV, books, and movies; the problem with porn is that open discussion about sex is for no good reason so taboo these days that there isn't much to counterbalance it. I would be very openly in favour of porn if it would more often portray realistic, healthy, loving, respectful, consensual sexual relationships. The wild stuff can stay for the people who enjoy fantasizing about it; it just needs to be more like 10% instead of 90% of the market. I feel like this would be more likely to happen if society didn't sweep porn under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

I definitely do have a major problem with internet censorship, and internet monitoring.

Those are my random thoughts for today


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Originally posted by Mush Solitary confinement in prison provides food, water, and shelter, but still easily strips people of their sanity.

There was a period of time where I was seriously contemplating about asking to live in a prison just to see what its like.

Oh, and solitary confinement would be fine for me. Just as long as I got something to scratch the walls with.


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Those are my random thoughts for today

We need such randomness more often!

Interesting views on porn. I was wondering of there is a perception that there's so much kinky porn out there and less vanilla because people have 'vanilla' in their day to day lives and its in human nature to seek more extreme and extra-ordinary experiences.

Mind you personally I think 90% of porn out there is pretty vanilla and a small chunk of it is quite artful too and well filmed/photographed. The wholesomeness and naturalness of the sex act isn't even pornography it could be argued which is what I think you were saying. There could even be an argument for educational value in some porn.

One would probably think there was too much extreme porn if you spent all your time google-searching for it.


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@saddletank

look here

first line and canada paragraph

i understand you are not knowledgeable about this concept it is more like a third world thing


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Mind you personally I think 90% of porn out there is pretty vanilla and a small chunk of it is quite artful too and well filmed/photographed. The wholesomeness and naturalness of the sex act isn't even pornography it could be argued which is what I think you were saying. There could even be an argument for educational value in some porn.

One would probably think there was too much extreme porn if you spent all your time google-searching for it.


I'm not sure. I think online it's very easy to come across pretty hefty stuff purely by accident. And even if a lot is tamer than that, it's certainly not realistic by any means.


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I think that I mentioned it once before in here, but one time I was looking for an online copy of an instruction guide for an exercise board. It was more than just a slant board and I was offering it in a yard sale. It had been given to me specifically to sell.

I typed the name of the equipment in search and, as usual, got a list of sites. One was labeled "Instruction guide' and I thought, PERFECT!!! I clicked the site and Immediately my computer was blasted with page after page of hardcore porn and not just adult wither. I tried to shut it off and ended up having to pull the power cord/ I took it into our company computer guy and he was shocked at what was on the thing. Finally got it all cleared up, but I have never trusted the internet since. You just never know...


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I think that I mentioned it once before in here, but one time I was looking for an online copy of an instruction guide for an exercise board. It was more than just a slant board and I was offering it in a yard sale. It had been given to me specifically to sell.

I typed the name of the equipment in search and, as usual, got a list of sites. One was labeled "Instruction guide' and I thought, PERFECT!!! I clicked the site and Immediately my computer was blasted with page after page of hardcore porn and not just adult wither. I tried to shut it off and ended up having to pull the power cord/ I took it into our company computer guy and he was shocked at what was on the thing. Finally got it all cleared up, but I have never trusted the internet since. You just never know...

Sounds like the classic spam link of yesteryears. I got hit by it quite a bit. Still remember the horrors of the guy with an impossibly stretched-out hole.


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use adblock plus in all the browsers you use probably will never see any kind of advertisement or spams


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Yes, modern browsers have much better security, so various pop-up blockers an dredirect blockers will kill almost all risk of malicious sites doing that.

Did you ever sell the board?

@ Saviour - LOL ,yes, nothing to do with what I was talking about. That's a defined term in determining poverty levels in third world countries. I was speaking generally. Bit of advice, if you're going to start a subject establish the context first.


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