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hell, the whole point of assigning a representative is to have someone make the decisions for you, and forget about it. you know, just to get things done, by somebody else. noone wants to go out and clean up the mess in the street, they want to hire someone else to do that. same with the people in power. and it does not matter if the president is in power for 20 years, as long as he does his damn job.
You are forgetting that that someone can be cruel, dishonest and straight forward cheat. And if he is that in a rich country which has a lot of free income and low population then they can get away with it, like they did in the countries you are trying to mention. But in poor countries that means chaos and sufferings of millions of people.
POWER CORRUPTS PEOPLE. period
This is the absolute truth. So the minimum time you can keep someone there the better.
Democracy is not perfect but it has enough mechanism to maintain a check and balance on the people on power.
And most importantly from history i have hardly heard of a ruler who was a dictator and good. It basically is not possible.
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people want to live a better live, they dont necessary want to be in charge of that live.
I would like to hear your ideas, please give some examples.
Your comment does not hold any real value. Literally everyone wants to live a great life. I mean i would love to become a billionaire, i dont care if someone manages me. Is it possible, no? The reality is every person wants justice. One person thinks that he should get what he deserves. If a govt can keep that in check then any kind of govt is really very good. However in case of autocracy such is not possible by its definition. So as a result it always causes problems.
Another important aspect of democracy is it represents people. If a govt is corrupt then it means that the population is just as corrupt as the goverment. If a govt is good then the people are good too.
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I am not saying democracy is good however it has better mechanisms to protect its citizen than most other types of goverment.
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One person thinks that he should get what he deserves.
Right. Wrong! Noone thinks that he should get what he deserves. They get it right now. What everyone thinks is that they should find a way to get what they do not deserve. Which is why
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POWER CORRUPTS PEOPLE.
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i would love to become a billionaire,
for example 
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the minimum time you can keep someone there the better.
but why should people be involved? through the history, competition between powerful guys did a good job in that. kings were removed from power by assassinations, coups, wars, you name it. of course, these events could be violent, hundreds or even thousands may die in the process, but then it also sucks when they are sabotaging the whole country economy just to win the vote at next elections, for example.
what I am getting at is, those are the same people who compete for power under the democracy and under the king rule. same people, just the rule of the game are different for them. and for the average Joe it largely does not matter. and they slowly realize that, as your original article proves.
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Originally posted by makc
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One person thinks that he should get what he deserves.
Right. Wrong! Noone thinks that he should get what he deserves. They get it right now. What everyone thinks is that they should find a way to get what they do not deserve. Which is why
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POWER CORRUPTS PEOPLE.
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i would love to become a billionaire,
for example
You are basically saying the exact same thing i am saying. That is everyone likes to get more than he deserves but he must get what he deserve. If one does something that hinders people getting their fair share then you are creating chaos. And many third world nations are famous for that.
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Originally posted by makc
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the minimum time you can keep someone there the better.
but why should people be involved? through the history, competition between powerful guys did a good job in that. kings were removed from power by assassinations, coups, wars, you name it. of course, these events could be violent, hundreds or even thousands may die in the process, but then it also sucks when they are sabotaging the whole country economy just to win the vote at next elections, for example.
what I am getting at is, those are the same people who compete for power under the democracy and under the king rule. same people, just the rule of the game are different for them. and for the average Joe it largely does not matter. and they slowly realize that, as your original article proves.
The thing is stability. If in a country there is constant tension of war, coups and assassination it is never good for economy. So people feel that for the stability over four or five years it can be allowed to sabotage economy say for a few months. Just look at all the war zones around the world. And also you can read about the world economy in pre-world war era.
And when war happens it is always the pawns(people) who get crushed. In many people's view democracy is in some case better than that.
And average joe never got a chance ever. But in democracy it possible for non-nobel slightly above average joe to be ruler. But in other kind of ruling non-nobels are prohibited.
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randomly bumped into this "everfilter" app. Claims to turn this
to this
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I'm sick and feeling out of it right now, but.. lol
Does anyone else here feel like they are destined to do great things? I've always had this strong pulling emotion like there is something great that I will accomplish since I was a child. It's something some people have noticed despite me always being quiet and sort of standing in the background. But it's such a strong feeling that I'm often scared of it and not sure how to embrace it or what it means.
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That's never happened to me. Have you any inkling of what direction this feeling is pulling you? Arts? Sciences? Humanities?
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Originally posted by Saddletank
That's never happened to me. Have you any inkling of what direction this feeling is pulling you? Arts? Sciences? Humanities?
It's really a mix of many things. I'm not sure what exactly you would call it. It's something I've felt innately pulling at me since I was a child. Definitely in the arts, but also possibly humanities.
When I was graduating from high school my world issues teacher looked me in the eye and said I was someone destined to make great changes. It was really odd because it was one of the first times someone said what I had been feeling in my heart my whole life.
Especially when I am in a rut or feel kicked down that feeling just grows stronger rather than dimming. It's weird. lol
EDIT: I also feel strongly about trying to move to Japan to teach because I feel like that's where the feeling is telling me to start. Anytime I've felt discouraged against following this dream I meet someone or something happens that tells me this is something I must do. It would also offer me some of the momentary stability I've craved and the ability to be totally independent. But I almost think there's something waiting for me and that there will probably be some sort of major experience that will completely change me.
It's a very weird and unshakable feeling. As if everything in my life is leading me up to some sort of strong epiphany. The earliest I remember feeling this was when I was 7.
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As i am currently watching twelve kingdoms, i was trying to see if there was any discussion it in ghibli.
There was some mention of it. However i found this thread from eight years ago
http://www.onlineghibli.com/tavern/threa...id=5&page=2
where arren said
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Fanservice is more widespread in anime than people think. This is because of the main audience for it. Until recently, (with shows like Honey and Clover popping up aimed at different audiences), most anime (other than mainstream shows like Doraemon and mainstream films (Ghibli)), were obscure and geared towards the so-called "otaku" crowd. The people in this subculture are associated with anime, "adult" dating sims, the "moe" trend, etc. And like it or not, most of the anime series in the past was aimed at them, which explains the fanservice. People usually get a shock when they hear that their favourite anime series was airing in Japan at 1 o'clock in the morning, because they thought it was a very popular prime-time show that all of Japan was watching. Many anime fans intentionally hide the fact that they watch anime because they will be shunned in society, as explained by one of those very people, over at Animesuki. And to be honest, looking at some of these fanservicey anime, and some of these "dating sims" , I can almost understand why.
If arren eight years ago thought that anime audience were starting to get diverse, then by now fanservice should have lessened. Rather it increased.
I saw this video from youtube which has some compelling ideas why is that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtTBYMvLBbw
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Only the person who wrote what you've quoted can answer this completely and correctly but reading it for the first time in many years I would not suggest that the two words "until recently" imply that anime audiences were starting to get diverse and we'd see a decline in fanservice but exactly the opposite. "Until recently" implies that 'otaku' shows were then airing at late night adult TV slots and the implication is this is no longer the case... that more fanservice and 'otaku-friendly' anime are airing at earlier slots.
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Originally posted by Saddletank
Only the person who wrote what you've quoted can answer this completely and correctly but reading it for the first time in many years I would not suggest that the two words "until recently" imply that anime audiences were starting to get diverse and we'd see a decline in fanservice but exactly the opposite. "Until recently" implies that 'otaku' shows were then airing at late night adult TV slots and the implication is this is no longer the case... that more fanservice and 'otaku-friendly' anime are airing at earlier slots.
Hmm, interesting. I would wait for arren's answer
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
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I should probably point out that that post wasn't actually me. Take another look - it was Theowne.
Anyway, I think that original post makes some decent points, but it maybe takes the "anti-otaku" angle too much at face value. Personally I think that way of looking at things is over-simplistic, and as time goes on that fact becomes more and more clear. I do think parts are right though.
I think I'd agree broadly with what Saddles is saying. Anime and other otaku interests becoming more mainstream might sound like those things changing to become what is usually seen as respectable, but really it's that mainstream audiences are now more accommodating to those interests. Hence, things that seemed like weird niche interests in the past are more openly available for general audiences these days.
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Originally posted by arren18
I should probably point out that that post wasn't actually me. Take another look - it was Theowne.
LOL
I dont know why it popped in my head, probably because saddletank's post was right below it. And i forgot there were other members back then.
Feeling pretty stupid right now.
NB: note to myself, dont post when you are sleepy.
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I think I'd agree broadly with what Saddles is saying. Anime and other otaku interests becoming more mainstream might sound like those things changing to become what is usually seen as respectable, but really it's that mainstream audiences are now more accommodating to those interests. Hence, things that seemed like weird niche interests in the past are more openly available for general audiences these days.
on other note Are suggesting convergence?
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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HELLO GUYS!!!! It's been a while!
Gosh, I miss this forum. How's everyone?
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Originally posted by belborges
HELLO GUYS!!!! It's been a while!
Gosh, I miss this forum. How's everyone?
hey bel welcome back
i have been fine. How were you?
the forum is running with some key members. Everyone is getting busy as they finished their uni and started working
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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I'm doing great! I'm on vacation now, so I'll focus on improving my art skills, discovering new things and spending time with my bf that unfortunately lives far away from me.
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Happy New Year everyone! I think 2016 isn't likely to be a popular year looking back, but I hope the coming year is an improvement for you all!
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It has the potential to be a year of changes. For us in the UK Brexit negotiations start. For the middle east the Syria question really should be resolved after 5 years and IS may struggle (I hope) to survive any longer as a coherent body. The terrorist problem in Europe grows and grows; it needs to be dealt with even more robustly. The world waits with baited breath to see what Donald Trump's administration does, both domestically and internationally.
I hope as hard as its possible that the international scene does not degenerate further.
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Happy New Year, my friends.  I wish you all the very best for it.
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