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Miyrru
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I understand that that is the point being made, that the japanese think that we are all shooting the breeze be watching anime. But they might as well pick on the rest of the world, cause everyone to an extent is obsessed with something.
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Even then, it's different. People do have hobbies in Japan, after all. The issue is more specifically about anime fans and the otaku culture.
Here is something a good read to get started:
http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lainspotting/2...ku-concept.html
So as that article states, it may be improving, but it's not quite there yet..
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I'll breeze through that later, but just my skimming it, I can see the sociological POV of the article. There culture has been brought up to sorta frown on that, while over here, it is more of a meh kinda reaction. I would say the the west is cultureless. There is no identity that sets it apart. too much of a melting pot. Japan way of looking at this is going to go the way of the dodo.
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Wow, three pages since my last post.
Anyway, like I said, it's really hard for most westerners to understand the concept of th Asian culture, much less the otaku culture in Japan and the stigma it brings with it.
Sine almost all of you will never in your life visit a pure Otaku shop, let me give you an example you can relate with.
Imagine going into shop selling scatily-dressed Barbie dolls, Playboy magazines and adult films and games, full of fat pock-marked middle aged nerdy males talking unabashedly about the girls and their fantasies, while at the same time are able to rattle off VERY specific info about such materials and/or the girls.
Feeling disgusted yet? That's pretty much similar to how the average Japanese views the Otaku culture, accurate or otherwise.
The problem with the anime industry is that is started out as a form of adult gravure very early on with the hentai games, and that dark history has stuck on even with current times.
And like I said, what you guys watch is but a very small percentage of what is screened daily in Japan. There are literally thousands of other anime, usually either too kiddish or too explicit, to be licensed or even fansubbed.
So the next time you visit Japan, NEVER say that you are an Otaku; likewise, never call someone else an Otaku. You can say that you watch anime and read manga occasionally, but DO NOT display much enthusiasm for them.
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Originally posted by Roarkiller
Wow, three pages since my last post.
Anyway, like I said, it's really hard for most westerners to understand the concept of th Asian culture, much less the otaku culture in Japan and the stigma it brings with it.
Sine almost all of you will never in your life visit a pure Otaku shop, let me give you an example you can relate with.
Imagine going into shop selling scatily-dressed Barbie dolls, Playboy magazines and adult films and games, full of fat pock-marked middle aged nerdy males talking unabashedly about the girls and their fantasies, while at the same time are able to rattle off VERY specific info about such materials and/or the girls.
Feeling disgusted yet? That's pretty much similar to how the average Japanese views the Otaku culture, accurate or otherwise.
The problem with the anime industry is that is started out as a form of adult gravure very early on with the hentai games, and that dark history has stuck on even with current times.
And like I said, what you guys watch is but a very small percentage of what is screened daily in Japan. There are literally thousands of other anime, usually either too kiddish or too explicit, to be licensed or even fansubbed.
So the next time you visit Japan, NEVER say that you are an Otaku; likewise, never call someone else an Otaku. You can say that you watch anime and read manga occasionally, but DO NOT display much enthusiasm for them.
Manga does not actually carry the same stigma at all, which you probably know and someone has probably said.
Other than that, I can't help but disagree. Display enthusiasm for what you like if that's what you want to do. Sure, don't call yourself an otaku if you aren't, (and most of us certainly aren't), but lying to people about your interests isn't going to help anything, least of all society's view of anime.
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It is interesting with the whole distinction between manga and anime in Japan. Here you would be forgiven for refering to manga as anime.. clearly not in Japan, particularly if someone took it as an insult. My girlfriend recalls from her travels in Japan that half of the students at the school she visited had manga in their lockers or wherever and everyone from young adults to old businessmen could be seen reading them on public transport every now and then.
Would anyone care to elaborate on why there is such a distinction..? I can understand that in Westernized areas that anime, manga and even other products might easily be grouped into the same category more becasue they are all (somewhat cult) Japanese entertainment products that ussually attract the same consumers, but why arent the similarities drawn between the two within Japan??
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No, manga doesn't carry the same stigma, fortunately.
And no, I don't know why. I think it has to do with the fact that manga originated from woodblock paintings and storytelling, or something.
Or maybe because manga is still a form of literature. Who knows?
Nakamatsu?
Anyway, it's not really that uncommon. I mean, nowadays, you wouldn't be caught dead playing with pokemon, yet it often tops game lists, along with Mario.
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I think you kinda said what I was trying to get at earlier. Which is that the word Otaku doesn't carry as much negative meaning here as it does in Japan. So while I do think "Otaku" would be an accurate description of myself I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to advertise it.
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I understand what I was talking about better than yesterday, all i needed was a few minutes to work out the details. It is like they are over protective of their culture. They see that anime is almost a misrepresentation of their lifestyle. They then get people who want to travel there due to the sole reason that they can get high school girls just like in the shows.
I would equate it to something like this, since I am a sports fan it would be a sports analogy of course: I am canadian and I love hockey, I know far to much about the sport and have a text of stats in the back of my brain. Now what if someone from a different country, say a UK guy just cause we have a lot of em here, and they are well versed in hockey, they got to be a fan some how and they come over here and just talk about it non-stop and try to be canadian and fit in. They would annoy me to no end. It is like the people said, it is cultural stigma that Japan doesn't want to be associated with, yet it is really out of their control except for discriminating against the offenders.
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Manga and anime are completely separate, ironically. Manga is completely normal, as in "normal" people can read manga on the bus and no one will notice, whereas no otaku would allow someone to see an anime DVD in his hand. Manga, though, is a proud part of Japanese culture and there is far, far more manga than there is anime for this reason. There's manga for practically every purpose. The drawn manga image has higher esteem here than comic books in the west - perhaps, yes, originating from history of things such as Ukiyo-e. Manga is a multibillion yen industry. There are dozens of anime being published while hundreds and hundreds of manga are published. And the popular anime, like Sazae-san, are adapted from manga heroes. And I mentioned before about the nations affinity for Miyazaki. My father was a Miyazaki nut, a collector of sorts. But he would call himself a Miyazaki collector, never an anime fan.
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your mention of Ukiyoe art does make things a bit clearer for me.. both traditional Japanese art and manga have neatly linear drawings with shades of ink fill or repititive pattern. Add the fact that often the art were accompanied with text as in manga you can see that they arent that different really.
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