  |
| Author |
|
fenkashi
Dibs on Supreme Overlord
Registration Date: 08.12.07
Location: Canada
Posts: 5732 |
|
|
Face? Meet palm.
I'm sure somewhere, someone in academia would find the continuous clash of these world views fascinating. They mostly just exhaust me and make me wish we were being trolled.
Did you seriously just say you were "disturbed" by swim suits and leotards?
For someone so against drawing attention to the body, you sure do focus on what people wear a lot. It's very sad that you managed to reduce all the hard work these athletes put in, into a discussion about their clothing.
---
Meh, I was not that into the Olympics that much this year. Only saw a couple events since I was so busy, but I did enjoy what I saw quite a bit ^^ Too bad Canada kind of fades away at the Summer games. xP
__________________
|
|
 08.15.2012, 04:36 AM |
  
|
saviour2012
Baron
Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749 |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by fenkashi
you sure do focus on what people wear a lot.
It's very sad that you managed to reduce all the hard work these athletes put in, into a discussion about their clothing.
i do specially because of the camera if you see in television you will definitely see how the camera guy pulls the focus into the body rather than the face. another reason is in my country everyone does not wear like that so i find difficulty that why do they need to wear like that.
__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 04:45 AM |
 
|
fenkashi
Dibs on Supreme Overlord
Registration Date: 08.12.07
Location: Canada
Posts: 5732 |
|
|
Faces aren't all that important in sports. Why would I want to look at an athlete's face while they're doing their event. There are certain moments where the face is relevant - at the beginning, the end, certain crucial moments and certain sports.
And for the record, there are quite a few shots of faces in beach volleyball.
Saviour, it's massively irritating that you can't begin to grasp what is called a difference in cultures and accept it for what it is. People are not going to live by the norms of your country - they will live by their own norms. I'm not sure what you read growing up, that you think people can follow one single way of life, or that they even should be expected to.
Have a little respect for other cultures. =/
__________________
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 04:52 AM |
|
husky51
The Old Guy
Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12799 |
|
|
Saviour, my statement meant that I did not find it offensive...
============================
I don't know the exact reasons for it, but I believe that enough people worldwide requested that the IOC include Beach Volleyball in their competitions. Not just one country or even two, but many countries had to request it, IMO...
==================
Where did the alligator and gatling gun come from????
--------------------
as for "forcing you to view body parts", i don't see that. if there is a sport that offends you, then simply change the channel as I do when there is a TV program that I don't like. Or walk away. You have a mind, use it to make a decision for yourself. If you don't particularly like something, who or what is forcing you to stay rooted to that spot and making you watch??? Are you implying that if a parade of floats goes by on the street with marching bands and girls in bathing suits are riding on the floats, that they have to cease and desist because YOU want to stand on that particular corner of the street at that time? That is what you seem to be saying. That because you have YOUR beliefs, then everyone else must defer to them... regardless of their own beliefs.
-------------------------------------------
As for street football, it is a team sport with general soccer rules, I assume, and a number of players, like regular soccer. If a soccer (I have to use my term to keep it clear in my mind) game came about with just two players to a side and it gained enough support, then it, too, might be included in an Olympic program...
I do not dislike you or your beliefs, that is your right (at least in the USA)... I don't happen to believe as you do and that is my prerogative. IMO, everyone has the right to believe, or not believe, as they wish, but that does not give someone the right to dictate to others on their mode of dress or belief. You live and let live. You realize that there are things in this world that you cannot change. And that others are not going to change simply because you happen to think it is wrong. Wrong by your standards maybe, but not necessarily by theirs...
It's 2:30 am, I'm going to bed...
__________________
    
Post last edited by husky51 on 08.15.2012, 05:36 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 05:17 AM |
|
saviour2012
Baron
Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749 |
|
|
@fen
i do respect all other cultures
but it really makes me think why does something disturbs me while other does not
@husky
do you really think that is the case[about why beach volleyball is a sports] then allright
__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
Post last edited by saviour2012 on 08.15.2012, 06:02 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 05:22 AM |
|
fenkashi
Dibs on Supreme Overlord
Registration Date: 08.12.07
Location: Canada
Posts: 5732 |
|
|
Alright, I will take your word for it. But usually I read disdain and mockery in the way you word these things. Something to think on.
As for the why, it may largely be because of the society you grew up in. If you were raised in a different place, by different people, you would tend towards different values. It's likely no one came out and told you to think the way you do... it is just you picked up signs and came to give meanings to things like a woman's body being exposed. Based on the meanings you associate with whatever, you either accept certain behaviours as desired and others, not.
__________________
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 06:00 AM |
|
saviour2012
Baron
Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749 |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by fenkashi
Alright, I will take your word for it. But usually I read disdain and mockery in the way you word these things. Something to think on.
As for the why, it may largely be because of the society you grew up in. If you were raised in a different place, by different people, you would tend towards different values. It's likely no one came out and told you to think the way you do... it is just you picked up signs and came to give meanings to things like a woman's body being exposed. Based on the meanings you associate with whatever, you either accept certain behaviours as desired and others, not.
i agree.
but then why wearing a biki*** in a business party is not considered decency. if that is a cultural belief then it would be like me wearing suit in my culture and other wearing biki*** in theirs. but it is not like that.
Why in those cultures in someplace something is called decency while other things are not. If it was a cultural belief should not be it the same everywhere.
__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
Post last edited by saviour2012 on 08.15.2012, 06:12 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 06:08 AM |
|
Nausicaa_Cat
Baron
Registration Date: 10.02.06
Location:
Posts: 3198 |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by saviour2012
quote:
Originally posted by fenkashi
Alright, I will take your word for it. But usually I read disdain and mockery in the way you word these things. Something to think on.
As for the why, it may largely be because of the society you grew up in. If you were raised in a different place, by different people, you would tend towards different values. It's likely no one came out and told you to think the way you do... it is just you picked up signs and came to give meanings to things like a woman's body being exposed. Based on the meanings you associate with whatever, you either accept certain behaviours as desired and others, not.
i agree.
but then why wearing a biki*** in a business party is not considered decency. if that is a cultural belief then it would be like me wearing suit in my culture and other wearing biki*** in theirs. but it is not like that.
Why in those cultures in someplace something is called decency while other things are not. If it was a cultural belief should not be it the same everywhere.
I'm sorry Saviour but that argument is so invalid it's laughable. One wouldn't wear a bikini to a business meeting because there would be no reason and justification to do so - in a situation where it is important to appear smart and formal, obviously a bikini would be inappropriate. In that situation usually even wearing a jeans and t-shirt would be inappropriate would it not? However, when at the beach or the pool side, wearing a bikini is obviously more logical. It allows the body to stay cool and is suited to swimming. It isn't a matter of decency, it's a matter of what clothing is suitable to each situation.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 06:32 AM |
|
saviour2012
Baron
Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749 |
|
|
that is what i tried to say all the time[but then you start to say the culture things]
"One wouldn't wear a bikini to a business meeting because there would be no reason and justification to do so - in a situation where it is important to appear smart and formal, obviously a bikini would be inappropriate."
if it is a issue of wearing a right cloth at the right situation then would not it be be better to wear a more athletic dress rather than biki***[it is better to say br* and pan****][cause more people are looking at you]
now it is not only my words look what your own mayor says.
"Beach volleyball isn't new; the first two-man beach volleyball was played in Santa Monica in the 1930s and the first tournament to offer a prize was played in 1948 in L.A -- the prize was a case of Pepsi. It's not even really new to the Olympics, having been introduced in Atlanta
in 1996. So why the sudden craze?
The obvious reason was summed up by London mayor Boris Johnson in an op-ed for The Telegraph a couple of weeks ago "There are semi-naked women playing beach volleyball in the middle of Horse Guards Parade...They are glistening like wet otters ... the whole thing is magnificent and bonkers."
Yes, the decision to turn bikinis into uniforms no doubt had something to do with making beach volleyball the hottest ticket at London 2012."
for the original quotelink
for the proof that even many event gallery was empty the beach volleyball ground was full and in the sun.
look what the newspaper said
"And yet the majority of the 15,000 strong crowd cared not for nationalities, skill or technique - they were here to see the girls in their bikinis, and the men in their shorts."
link
what is more @husky British prime minister was asked if beach volleyball could be seen from his house he said it could not be seen but shouting could be heard. lol . i do not know any other game where shouting reaches that distance.
I think all of you understood.
Even after all these things i said and shown If still you do not understand then i do not actually mind. it is not a favorite game of mine you know that i have to save it.
@saddletank as i said earlier that biki*** is the dress to play beach volleyball is actually right.
@everyone why i said it is because of the camera guy that i am forced to look at the body please browse the pictures in the daily telegraph's later link.
__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
Post last edited by saviour2012 on 08.15.2012, 07:55 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 07:30 AM |
|
husky51
The Old Guy
Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12799 |
|
|
I back for a few minutes because I couldn't sleep.. I'll try again in a few minutes...
You have to understand about Western newspapers and politicians, saviour. They can and will say just about anything to grab the publics attention whether actually factual or not.
The Mayor of London, from what I have read is somewhat of a publicity hound (like many pols) and is apt to say something that will grab the publics attention, like mentioning watching semi-naked women, etc.
He could just as well have said, "Yes, I enjoy watching these women athletes compete in their sports agenda".
But no, he was pontificating for the press, he knew that for greater publicity value, he could use the 'semi-naked' wording and get a greater audience.
From my own personal experience in life, I generally disallow most sensationalistic comments by politicians or newspapers. They had a term for this around the turn of the century (the earlier one 1900, lol) and it was called 'yellow journalism' and was symbolized by a cartoon character called the 'Yellow Kid" who sold newspapers on the corner with wild headlines... (see "The Yellow Kid" in Wiki)
Don't take what a politico says or a newspaper says as proof of an argument one way or another. One Russian newspaper tells lies and it was named "Pravda" which I believe means 'Truth' in Russian, although I may be wrong about that.
__________________
Post last edited by husky51 on 08.15.2012, 08:27 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 08:19 AM |
|
saviour2012
Baron
Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749 |
|
|
hey husky
please start a new thread about this discussion[about journalism and yellow journalism] i have a lot to discuss about this
i have already destroyed NC's thread which i am not very happy about. so do not want to start about that.
__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
Post last edited by saviour2012 on 08.15.2012, 09:21 AM.
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 09:02 AM |
|
Nausicaa_Cat
Baron
Registration Date: 10.02.06
Location:
Posts: 3198 |
|
|
But a bikini is appropriate to a beach volleyball competition? Since bikinis are what women wear to the beach ahah. Plus I can Boris Johnson is a big man-child, he's bound to say something like that.
Besides I don't know if you noticed but the majority of the beach volleyball players had very much athletic bodies - flat chests, minimal curves, larger muscles. There's hardly a lot of bouncing boobs or anything. I just think it's sad that you can't look at Olympic athletes without demeaning them due to their choice of dress.
And oh well! I guess it is still relevant to my original enquiry about people's thoughts on the games 
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 01:29 PM |
|
husky51
The Old Guy
Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12799 |
|
|
| 08.15.2012, 01:41 PM |
|
Wikidkid101
Totoro
Registration Date: 10.27.11
Location: A Small Island somewhere in the world
Posts: 523 |
|
|
I agree the opening and closing ceremonies were fantastic IMO but being English I had no issue in understanding everything! I agree that they were very British and so people would struggle to understand them who don't come from britain or lacks knowledge of our history!
However I don't mean to blow my countries own horn but to say the games themselves were rubbish is total arrogance!! They were brilliant and the world admitted they were one Of the best games ever!! As well as the athletes Fromm all over the world admitted they were brilliant and one of the best!!
All you had to do was watch some of it whether on tv or trough being there to see it was a brilliant Olympics!!
Rant over!!
|
|
| 08.19.2012, 08:49 AM |
|
husky51
The Old Guy
Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12799 |
|
|
| 08.19.2012, 01:30 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
Online Ghibli
Ghibli Tavern is powered by WoltLab, hosted by Teragon Networks
|
|
