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Roarkiller
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The objective of anime is art as entertainment.
The objective of certain anime characteristics, historically, was art. Later it evolved to satisfy target demographics.
The object of selling overly-sexy/moe/endearing characters is to generate interest in a target demographic in order to generate a profit.
Again, saviour, it's all business. No, there's no morals. It's not a question of whether there should be or shouldn't be.
You need to realize that not everyone in this world is a good guy. Likewise, you need to realize that the consumers of this market WANT them to be like so. They don't care if it's wrong.
It's not art. It's no longer about art. Not for the majority.
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I'd point out other mistakes in other member's posts, but kinda lazy today. But I will point out this one point from saddle's argument:
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To be blunt, men have always, throughout history been fascinated by the female bust - its appeal targets the most basic hormonal responses in men - so its hardly surprising that male artists and animators exaggerate busts in their drawings.
Actually, false. The fascination with breasts is actually quite modern. Not entirely sure which civilisation, but I believe the French were, in the past, more interest in much smaller sizes. And Africans and the Middle East of history don't exactly hide their bosoms either.
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Originally posted by Roarkiller
It's not art. It's no longer about art. Not for the majority.
I'm not sure... I think that individual animators probably choose to join the animation industry out of aspiration to create art, and from a love of animation. I don't think that many of them become artists in order to get rich, since it's a very hard and low-paying business.
But I would say that on the level of how shows and products are designed and targeted to be commercially successful and profitable, in that case I would agree. Because it makes sense to not want to go out of business.
I just don't think that I would go so far as to say that the majority of employees who work at an animation studio are profit-motivated. They definitely want to make profits so that they don't lose their jobs, but they probably didn't choose their line of work in order to make profits.
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I'm not sure... I think that individual animators probably choose to join the animation industry out of aspiration to create art, and from a love of animation.
Maybe true for Hayao Miyazaki but not for the people of indian subcontinent or third world countries where majority of it is made.[outsourced]
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And you have to consider the number of stupid shows they produce. Recently i have read an article on the production of anime series and budget. The thing is most of them are like gambles without any base. The majority of the studios think that a series of many many bad series will be extraordinary which will pay for the losses. Which is what is happening. In that case i would say do we need this many anime. Look at the number at myanimelist awfully high only a very small number can be watched or is worthy of watching.
Basically that is what happening in media industry as a whole soo much waste of money resource and energy. And thus causing various social problems . If more studios thought that we should make if only it is worthy producing that just like ghibli then things would have been much better.
And it IS a lucrative business[anime] for sure. Media business is worth several[at least 3] trillion dollars a year. So everyone is trying to get a peace of the action.
Thats why there is soo much resource wasted on unnecessary entertainment.Thats what i dont like.
If anime was not profitable it would never been a a profession. It is like a easy[in a sense that one good work is enough] way for many people to get rich and famous. In kare kano manga the mangaka commented in many places i was astonished by her cautiousness for copyright. It seemed to me it is enough for most of the artist to make one spectacular thing , after that they wont have any financial problem at all. Thats what they want most of the time unlike other professionals.It is the same in many other traits of entertainment industry as well see the pop singers most of them do not have any talent at all nor they have any sympathy for arts and culture. It is them who are causing problem and problem is majority IS them.
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In todays economic climate no company is going to survive unless it does good business and makes sensible business decisions. Every anime show is financed either out of cash created from previous shows or investments from production companies. No-one can afford to go out on a wild limb and risk everything on a project that won't sell unless its a one-man studio (Cencoroll, Voices of a Distant Star).
Production company bosses are not stupid. They want to make money, so they only back shows that they think will make money. To do that they need to be popular and sell both to television networks and in DVD cases.
There's a great deal of questionable content in a great deal of anime right now, but it sells, that's the point. Braless women flying about wielding huge swords and views up schoolgirls skirts, sadly, sells anime. Yes its a reflection on where the industry has gone but there are intelligent people behind these shows making reasoned decisons about them.
For every anime you think is worthless to watch, there are people who will watch and enjoy it, many tens of thousands in all probability. Anime studios would go out of business at once if they made anime no-one watched. Try to not see this industry just from the perspective of your own preferences.
I doubt for example that you watch or buy hentai anime, and you think its worthess crap. However its a big industry and sells well. There's many people out there content to spend money on DVDs of cartoon characters having sex. That's how people are. Its not a statistic to be proud of but its true.
There are hardly ever going to be other studios like Ghibli. There is always going to be someone at the top, an industry leader; its the same with sports teams, car manufacturers, computer games companies - there has to be one or two that are the best, the vast majority form a pyramid of increasing mediocrity below that peak. Its the nature of human endeavour.
To expect every anime studio to be committed to producing work of the quality of Ghibli is a hopless expectation. Besides, many clever and talented people in the industry don't want to produce the kind of subject matter that Ghibli does.
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Originally posted by Saddletank
There is always going to be someone at the top, an industry leader; its the same with sports teams, car manufacturers, computer games companies - there has to be one or two that are the best, the vast majority form a pyramid of increasing mediocrity below that peak. Its the nature of human endeavour.
That is a important statement. But the problem is most of the running businesses are equally good. For example cars ferrari sells good looking cars with speed, toyota for example price vs performanc, tata sells at a reasonable price. So all of these companies has something to offer what is unique as well as good. It is not like they sell crap cars. But in case of entertainment industry there are surely craps and they do not mind that. In case of computer industry its the same.google microsoft yahoo they all sell similar quality unique products not craps. there are smaller companies who also sell similar products like i can say for roll-royce or buggatti we know it for ultra expensive cars but they also sell plane engines. There are enterprize level food companies like frito-lay etc, but those foods vans sometimes sell things even better.So thats what all of these industries are doing they are trying to make money by doing something uniquely great. So their business runs like that. Unless they fall largely behind innovation they can meet both ends. In the end the people who are only doing something for money end up doing nothing great.
The problem is not the same in case of entertainment industry, i think you saw game of death[1978] which was about the problems in this business. Here almost everything is about money.
However if this discussion goes on i might end up saying Art is a wrong thing due to the fact that large portion of crap is coming from that entertainment industry. Which is a serious question i am trying to find an answer. I do not know if i am going to find that answer.
I do not know why we are defending something is it is not correct. You yourself said that people buy hentai and thats not to be proud then why is not that bad.
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Watch everything but only take the good things from it
Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.
Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.
If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.
its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
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Originally posted by saviour2012
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Originally posted by Saddletank
There is always going to be someone at the top, an industry leader; its the same with sports teams, car manufacturers, computer games companies - there has to be one or two that are the best, the vast majority form a pyramid of increasing mediocrity below that peak. Its the nature of human endeavour.
That is a important statement. But the problem is most of the running businesses are equally good. For example cars ferrari sells good looking cars with speed, toyota for example price vs performanc, tata sells at a reasonable price. So all of these companies has something to offer what is unique as well as good. It is not like they sell crap cars.
This encapsulates my point exactly.
Many cars sell because those who buy cars have different preferences and requirements. You, Saviour might buy a Rolls Royce for its unparalleled quality and watch Ghibli. Someone else might buy a used Skoda (because it suits his or her needs) and enjoy watching hentai.
I mentioned people buying and watching hentai because that gives them pleasure. You and I might think that's a bad thing, but they do not. You get pleasure from watching Ghibli. There are many people out there, I am sure, who are not that interested in Ghibli movies because they don't have themes like sex, violence, blackmail and huge robots in them (mostly).
This is my point. Customers of anime are wide ranging in their tastes and almost anything sells. What is "crap" to you is to someone else exactly what they want; and they buy it.
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