Posted by arren18 on 11.13.2013, 11:42 AM: Wow, I'd actually forgotten about episode 26. It goes to show that a hell of a lot goes on in this show. But yes, as Orphic has indicated, it's very complicated. Different characters are viewed in various ways by those around them, and in different storylines their role can change a great deal. Orphic's second point in the last post is especially apt! People can turn out to be the opposite of what one character thinks, and ones who seem good or bad can look completely different when more of the story is revealed.
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.13.2013, 12:42 PM: I am glad now that you two recommended it and that I managed to suppress the urge to stop watching it during the first 8 or so episodes.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.13.2013, 06:57 PM: Sometimes I start to think it would be nice to see a high-budget remake of the whole series, but now I'm so attached to it, cheap animation and all, I wonder if it would be the same. The movie (which you should only watch once you've finished the show) is much more lavishly animated, and kind of gives you a sense for what a big-budget version of the show might look like.
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.16.2013, 10:17 PM: SPOILERS FOR EPs LATE 20s-EARLY 30s
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Posted by arren18 on 11.16.2013, 10:51 PM: Oh yeah it's definitely getting weird by that point. Enjoy episode 33!
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.16.2013, 10:51 PM:
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.17.2013, 12:54 AM: Ugh, just discovered that Utena's voice actress Tomoko Kawakami died at only age 41 in 2011 from ovarian cancer. She also played Misuzu Kamio from Air.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.17.2013, 01:06 AM: Oh boy, that's really sad. She did such a wonderful job bringing Utena to life. I found a little tribute on Youtube. Makes me want to check out some of the other shows she acted in.
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.17.2013, 01:16 AM: Air is a great series. It has a curious mystical quality about it and more depth than most simple romance stories, there's a lot of spiritual things going on with the characters, though you'll need your box of kleenex for the ending.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.20.2013, 07:41 AM: Oh Saddles, I just realized you should probably put some spoiler tags on your third-to-last post. You do mention that you're up to Ep. 32 in the beginning, which is kind of a tip-off, but better safe than sorry.
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Posted by arren18 on 11.20.2013, 07:54 AM: Oh I might check out those videos. Shame they seem to be released so sporadically though. If it took them that long to do nine episodes, when will it be finished?
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.20.2013, 08:26 AM: I don't know whether I should be optimistic or not. On one hand, there was a FOUR MONTH gap between Ep 8 and Ep 9. On the other hand, the latest video was released just a few weeks ago, so that's sort of heartening. At least it doesn't seem like they've given up yet.
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.20.2013, 09:06 AM: I fixed the spoiler tag above.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.20.2013, 10:12 AM: I really appreciate your honest reaction. It's definitely not a show that everyone will respond to in the same way, and it's not your fault if you didn't feel a strong connection to the characters (you know, maybe it's just that SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS you've never been in an abusive incestuous relationship with your older fallen angel brother END SPOILERS END SPOILERS). All I can say is that I'm glad you stuck with it, and I hope you feel it was worth watching in the end. (Now imagine experiencing THAT ending if you had grown unbelievably attached to the characters, and I think you'll understand my fanaticism.)
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Posted by arren18 on 11.20.2013, 10:25 AM: I was talking to somebody just the other day who said she didn't see what the fuss was all about with Utena. I was disappointed of course, but I guess that's how it is. While I did hope you'd enjoy it, especially when you seemed to be getting more into it a little while ago, I appreciate that the show's style and way of doing things probably isn't for everyone.
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.20.2013, 10:55 AM: Just wanted to point this out:
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.20.2013, 11:17 AM: I think I do like it, I just dislike things that are sooo convoluted that they appear to defy reason. I can overthink waaay too many things into this. Evangelion really only works on two levels. It takes those two levels and deals with them with extreme clarity (for me), making its point in powerful ways without cluttering things up with too many other ideas or symbols that just confuse or dilute the main points.
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Posted by arren18 on 11.20.2013, 12:18 PM:
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.20.2013, 08:48 PM: SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE SHOW
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Posted by Orphic Okapi on 11.23.2013, 06:13 AM: SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE
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