Posted by husky51 on 11.06.2014, 09:12 PM: Toxic Masculinity in referring to Saddles post, I thought that I's start the new thread...
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Posted by husky51 on 11.06.2014, 09:21 PM: That may be why I am comfortable around women and talking about feminine subjects as I have mentioned in this forum... I think part of it is helping raise my own sister and having an open minded mother in my early years. Had a question, it was answered truthfully. If I didn't understand something, it was explained, but not above my learning level.
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 11.06.2014, 11:47 PM: It's cool that you guys want to talk about this. I find toxic masculinity to be quite interesting.
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Posted by saviour2012 on 11.07.2014, 05:38 AM: I dont like this kind of masculinity.
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Posted by husky51 on 11.07.2014, 10:44 AM: saviour, I have been around and mingled with girls and women ALL my life and the man who says he 'understands women' is a liar, or at the very least, stretching the truth.
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Posted by Nausicaa_Cat on 11.07.2014, 01:17 PM: I'm glad this all interests you ^^
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.08.2014, 07:21 AM: Thanks for starting this thread Husky. Although I never knew of the term itself, 'toxic masculinity' has been in my mind all my life, right from my early teens - though of course I wasn't able to grasp the concept then.
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 11.08.2014, 10:32 AM: I think the working environment has to do with class structure, Saddles. I come from a blue collar area so all of things are more rampant there than anywhere else I've been to yet. My ex was also a blue collar worker, fixing nets in a factory 12 hours a day for just above minimum wage. Immigrant workers and women usually face the most problems in the work place. If anyone finds out you're LGBT, you're pretty much outcasted. Which effing sucks. Although there are beginning to be those more vocal about themselves and their situation. Men have the most problems coming out as gay to people, where they're threatened to be beaten up over it. The few who have come out get very visibly and verbally upset over people not understanding, over the threats, etc. They don't want to stand for that BS anymore and/or lie to themselves and others and bash gay people just because they don't want people to find out about them. Actually, a guy I know was very upset over people saying stuff like "It's okay to be straight" and him saying that they have no idea what it's like to be oppressed because of his sexual orientation. It sucks. Someone tore down my sister's friend's LGBTQ posters on her locker (she's the class present + LGBTQ president), to which she responded by posting up more and more posters and will keep doing so if they tear down them again.
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Posted by Saddletank on 11.08.2014, 10:41 AM: One wonders why middle class/white collar people generally are more accepting of the social changes that have become the norm in western society in the last -oh- 25 years... when blue collar/working class people (again, generally) do not seem to have moved forwards at all from the 1950s-60s level of attitude.
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Posted by arren18 on 11.08.2014, 01:12 PM: Education definitely plays a part. Largely, such issues are taken seriously due to the presence of academic literature and the surrounding discourse. That means that primarily middle-class people are producing ideas, directed at other primarily middle-class people. In such a context it's not so strange for people of the middle class who consider themselves "enlightened" to look down on the working classes holding on to tradition. I would argue that that perpetuates the problem, because caring about stuff then seems pretentious to many working-class people.
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 01.04.2015, 06:03 PM: Yo, remembered this thread.
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Posted by Saddletank on 01.04.2015, 06:40 PM: Do you know what I would do? Expose this group to a local paper or TV channel. Perhaps even a national if they'll listen.
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 01.04.2015, 07:46 PM:
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Posted by husky51 on 01.04.2015, 08:09 PM: I have been around this ol' world long enough to know that some men, for whatever reason, seem to have this 'rape fantasy' and, unfortunately, a few women do as well. That being said, it most definitely is not the 'norm' to have feelings like this, not by a long shot.
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Posted by potatotarzan on 01.04.2015, 09:30 PM:
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Posted by foreignfilmfreak on 01.04.2015, 10:03 PM: Me too. I just found an article detailing what has been said and how long this group has existed for. It's..... appalling. Judging from what they've posted, it wasn't just them who knew about this secret group. They named classmates and also complained about women. Like, a lot. The maturity level for a group of doctorate students wasn't very high with this group... Also congrats to the guy who reported on them for this crap. They were seriously mad that someone reported them. Probably should have thought of that one before making the stupid group.
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