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Saddletank
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arren18
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Oh wow, that's pretty interesting. I'd like to hear more about this if possible. Also, people still use Ceefax??
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Miyrru
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Is it just me? Or does anyone else have a bad feeling about this?
Disney waltzing into any market is never a good thing.
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Kazegami
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quote: Originally posted by #1sanfan
Is it just me? Or does anyone else have a bad feeling about this?
Disney waltzing into any market is never a good thing.
You aren't alone, I don't like the sounds of this either. Disney-ised anime? I wouldn't touch it.
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Mush
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Yeah, I'm skeptical too... but let's wait for the product before being too critical.
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Roarkiller
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quote: Originally posted by Mushka
Yeah, I'm skeptical too... but let's wait for the product before being too critical.
Name the last Disney cartoon that deserved any form of actual praise.
And please don't say Lilo and Stitch.
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Mush
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Factoid: Oddly enough, searching "disney" on imdb brings up Miyazaki ("the Japanese Walt Disney" ).
I think the Lion King was worthy of praise. I'm as anti-Disney as anyone who suspects their merchandise-family-corporate-puritan-brainwashing agenda, but I won't go as far as to say that they haven't done anything worthy of praise.
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Saddletank
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quote: Originally posted by #1sanfan Disney waltzing into any market.
That phrase might be the highlight of my day. I'm as nervous as the rest of you. The words "childrens film" is the first alarm bell to ring and "Lilo and Stitch" caused the second one.
Now if Disney were to remain in the background and let Japanese artists and directors get on and make their own movies, merely funding and to an extent guiding them it would seem to have potential. That is, just pour in their cash and marketing potential, but a rehash of their western fayre for an oriental market seems to miss the whole point of the anime artform to me.
Its wait and see time.
So far the anouncement seems to be this one press release which is being presented without much padding on a number of news sites:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7280955.stm
http://www.newstin.co.uk/sim/uk/45803131/en-010-000987013
http://news.top100.ws/entertainment/Disn...pan-anime-deal/
That's it, nothing else, all sites are copy-pasting the same report.
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Nausicaa_Cat
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quote: Name the last Disney cartoon that deserved any form of actual praise.
To be fair if you ask me Disney (used to be/is) good at what it does. Fairly mindless but entertaining films, generally with talking animals.
Im a firm fan of all the classic disney films, Beauty and The Beast, The Lion King, Mulan.
But no I dont think I like the sound of them having a go at anime, though we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. You never know we might be suprised with a fantastic childrens film.
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Roarkiller
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quote: Originally posted by Nausicaa_Cat Im a firm fan of all the classic disney films, Beauty and The Beast, The Lion King, Mulan.
A LOT of critics say that Mulan was the last Disney movie that was actually decent. L&S only had originality and family morals to hold it up, IMO.
Agree with NC though, one reason I don't diss Disney completely was because of their older movies. Beauty and the Beast was an absolute masterpiece of its time, and so was Cinderella. Aladdin created the now-famous genie icon, while The Lion King was of the the greatest epic cartoons in the last century.
Now though... I mean seriously, Cinderella THREE?! Aie... *faints*
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Miyrru
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I still find it hard to really judge Disney films, especially now that I'm at the venerable age of 18. When ever I look at them I can't look beyond 'childrens films' With a few exceptions. The Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, and maybe a Snow White or Bambi. But Lion King? Not in my books, they went and milked that goat to death.
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Snow White is overrated, in my opinion. Just because a film is groundbreaking doesn't mean it's necessarily any good. Pinocchio was much, much better--probably the best thing Disney's ever done.
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Wasn't Pinocchio horribly disney-fied? Isn't the real story from the book pretty violent and sad? Snow White is overrated, I don't really care at all for any Disney works. I probably grew out of them, but if anything, the old Mickey Mouse skits with the rest of them were probably the pinnacle, or even something like the Sorcerers Apprentice(Fantasia?) are real good.
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quote: I still find it hard to really judge Disney films, especially now that I'm at the venerable age of 18. When ever I look at them I can't look beyond 'childrens films' With a few exceptions. The Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, and maybe a Snow White or Bambi. But Lion King? Not in my books, they went and milked that goat to death.
Sanfan surely when you first watched The Lion King as a child or whatever you cried when Simba's dad died. Mufasa I think his name was. And if you didn't cry at the VERY least you got a bit teary-eyed, because if anyone can sit through that scene and not get emotional they must have a heart of stone.
It makes me upset just thinking about it!
quote: Wasn't Pinocchio horribly disney-fied? Isn't the real story from the book pretty violent and sad?
I'm pretty sure it was. They did the same with the Hunchback of Notre Dame though, in the book Esmerelda is killed and thingymagig, that lieutenant guy pretty much hands her in. Its quite disturbing recently.
Oh oh but you have to admit disney do good soundtracks! They do usually have quality songs.
And that reminds me Aristocats is a great film as is Lady & the Tramp.
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As you all know I get very emotional over many films but the Lion King just left me cold. I didn't even think it was an especially interesting story. It seemed over-long and just. Nothing really.
I think I'm just not a talking animal fan.
Unless Cary Elwes and Tim Curry are in it.
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quote: As you all know I get very emotional over many films but the Lion King just left me cold. I didn't even think it was an especially interesting story. It seemed over-long and just. Nothing really.
You monster But no fair enough I suppose films have different impacts on people.
For instance some people bawl their eyes out at Titanic and I can't help but keep thinking "Move your big fat bum and then he can get on the ice float with you you idiot".
But all to their own.
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I like Disney. Well, liked. I don't really watch it much anymore but I loved the old movies when I was a kid. Lion King was great, and yeah, I cried when Simba's dad died. Beauty and the Beast, one of my absolute favourite Disneys...so beautiful. Pinocchio was really nice as well (I love that grasshoper...can't remember his name). I never really liked Cinderella or Snow White.
Yes, Disney's great but in it's own sense. I don't really like the idea of mixing it with anime...they're two styles that I think would clash terribly.
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quote: Originally posted by #1sanfan
Wasn't Pinocchio horribly disney-fied? Isn't the real story from the book pretty violent and sad?
Yes, the film is more family-friendly than the book, but only barely. The book was so messed up that the author was forced to rewrite the ending before it was allowed to be published*. The movie isn't as bad, but it does contain children being transformed into donkeys and sold into slavery--not exactly the kind of thing you'd expect from a Disney film these days.
*The original story ended with Pinocchio being arrested and hanged, without ever becoming a real boy.
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I read they were going to re-dub my neighbor totoro. Maybe they did it already though, I dont remember how old the article was.
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Ah, how could I forget Mulan? It beats the stuffing out of Snow White. XD
I find that Disney films are frequently drenched in offensive gender and racial stereotypes that I wouldn't want anywhere near impressionable children. This is especially true of old ones like Snow White, but even some of their new movies have them, though they're slowly-somewhat breaking free (and Mulan is a good exception).
quote: Originally posted by Saddletank
Unless Cary Elwes and Tim Curry are in it.
Aww... You did that for me, didn't you
Aye, but Elton John is in the Lion King, so that's pretty good. Not Cary Elwes good, but pretty good.
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