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Because you're wrong. That's why.

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07.13.2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Calforsale

Lol why are u guys getting so defensive about a bunch of pics u posted? Feels like to me if u have to get so defensive u dont think they are all so innocent

Super like mate.

It's people want to do bad things but under the cover of good. So even if that thing is bad they can say it is good. i tried to make a lot of people specially saddletank to understand that saying something bad bad that you(everyone) did or thought right is better than always doing or thinking that good or not bad( it is the usual case). Making a bad thing legitimate does not change into good. porn or prostitution or gambling or drinking alcohol as a drink(not as medicine) is totally wrong. If we do not say them wrong within somedays we will see that drugs are legitimate. we need to think about our future generation.

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07.13.2012, 10:01 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by saviour2012
drinking alcohol as a drink(not as medicine) is totally wrong. If we do not say them wrong within somedays we will see that drugs are legitimate. we need to think about our future generation.

What is wrong with alcohol and soft drugs?

Sensing culture clash

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07.13.2012, 11:59 AM

fenkashi
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(we do love our random... this pointless thread has turned into 3 pages, lol)

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Originally posted by Roarkiller
@Saddle: As invoking as that pic is (lol), you can't hep but realize the irony of the truth in that pic. Ask anyone watching the new Summer season of anime and they'll totally agree.

;_; *is watching the summer season* *does not want to live on this planet anymore*

I resent the people that have bought crappy anime with cute girls and made it popular... so now all there is, is crappy anime with cute girls. But god forbid you call it crap. "LOOK AT THE CUTENESS. What else do you want?"

As for the Girls thread, sure there are a lot of suggestive pictures in there (whether in clothing, pose, or expression)... but I'm sorry, have you noticed which industry and what the topic is? Anime. Girls. If you expect innocence, stay out of there. That said, I'm fairly certain you cannot compare those pictures to hentai (where the clothes come off and the characters have sex

). I'm not going to do a google image search for hentai and compare it to the pictures posted but you are welcome to if you feel like your opinion is being drowned out by our defensiveness and want to continue this discussion. >_>

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07.13.2012, 12:05 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by captain george

What is wrong with alcohol and soft drugs?

Sensing culture clash

This is what is wrong. it is absolutely not cultural clash or religional clash. Now it is completely based on usefulness which alcohol does not have. See you have said soft drug . you are seeing it as a norm. This is exactly the point i want everyone to understand. Just before some years soft drugs were not seen as norm. But as alcohol is norm so have become soft drugs and so will become strong drugs. And then something even hazardous(i dont want to say the name) will be norm too.

That i do not want to happen. Do you understand. These things come one after another and then destroys everything you love, you care for. Have any drug addicted within your family(relatives), i have and i exactly know how much destructive thing drug is.

So we need to think and think deeply. Is all these things really necessary to happen.

Choice is your's

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07.13.2012, 12:28 PM

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Alcohol is useful, as a recreational drug. For many people it has good effects, it makes them happier and more sociable.

I'm afraid it's one thing you're never going to get rid of or ban, it's been tried before and the attempt failed miserably. Man has been drinking for thousands of years and will continue to do so. If alcohol and drug use was going to spiral horribly out of control as you seem to think it will, it would have happened hundreds or thousands of years ago already.

It's all down to the individual's judgement. If they're able to handle their drink, let them drink.

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07.13.2012, 12:48 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by fenkashi

I resent the people that have bought crappy anime with cute girls and made it popular... so now all there is, is crappy anime with cute girls.

As for the Girls thread, sure there are a lot of suggestive pictures in there (whether in clothing, pose, or expression)... but I'm sorry, have you noticed which industry and what the topic is? Anime. Girls. If you expect innocence, stay out of there.

Fen

You actually said almost the same thing that roar said just before we started women equality thread. I agreed with him cause i do agree that it is dirty business that makes everything dirty to earn dirty money.

Now if you in any case want to show me the entire anime arena. I think two things sell
1.Quality(Dragon Ball Z)
and
2.Sensuality(those crappy animes you are saying and hentai)

If that is the case then if you bought something from the second class then admit that you like that. Alright.

07.13.2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kazegami
Alcohol is useful, as a recreational drug. For many people it has good effects, it makes them happier and more sociable.

I'm afraid it's one thing you're never going to get rid of or ban, it's been tried before and the attempt failed miserably. Man has been drinking for thousands of years and will continue to do so. If alcohol and drug use was going to spiral horribly out of control as you seem to think it will, it would have happened hundreds or thousands of years ago already.

It's all down to the individual's judgement. If they're able to handle their drink, let them drink.

As medicine it is allowed in islam too. But not as a drink. You are saying alcohol makes people sociable. I mean... have you ever talked to a drunk person. If you said alcohol artifacialy makes the pain to go away then i would agree on that (not to the point of drinking that). It was once a norm to give a lot of rum to the sailors but it is not now. why? Just browse internet a little bit.

Individual judgement is something you do not know you can not control.Do you want your kids to live on drugs. If so then why do you not give them those. Why do you not take them with all your family.

And controling alcohol has been very very effective.In my country you can not buy a drink just like that. in Saudi Arabia it is absolutely impossible. Many british and americans have been thrown off (after being jailed for several months and if you have someone very high in us or british ambassy of saudi arabia then you may not be beaten eighty lashes) from there for making alcohol for their own party. Discovery channel made an entire show on these events. So you can ofcourse control alcohol.

And about spread just look outside you can find atleast one heavy drinker or drug addicted almost every house. I think you have not faced any consequences for these things just wait have a husband and couple of kids you will understand the pain of that( ofcourse you can not teach them good things cause you are not considering drugs or alcohol bad so just give them that and let them take as much as they want cause you believe in individual judgement. if you absolutely do not face any consequences then say)

Sometimes i think how could you(westerners) know so less about the world while you are very wise in almost every aspect. Then i realize their media is so much cencored that they do not have a chance.

07.13.2012, 01:32 PM

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Just for the record, there ARE places in Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries, that are allowed to sell alcohol to Westerners while they are staying in their hotels, etc. And also in certain housing areas of foriegn workers, alcohol consumption is allowed...

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07.13.2012, 01:43 PM

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Yes, I've talked to lots of drunk people. I've been a drunk person. And it's been a lot of fun.

We don't give alcohol and drugs to kids because we don't trust them to have good judgement. This is why we place age restrictions on these substances, so that by the time they are legally allowed to use them, they have good enough judgement that the majority of them won't harm themselves with them.

I'm not saying there's no downside to these things. For some individuals they're very destructive. However, it's unreasonable and unfair to deny everyone the enjoyment of certain substances just because some people suffer with them.

They're like scissors, or fire. If you play with them irresponsibly you'll get hurt, if you're careful then you benefit from them.

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07.13.2012, 01:50 PM

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I think it's really amusing that your example of quality is Dragonball Z. Chacun son goût. ^^||

One thing is that western society typically trusts individuals to be responsible for themselves and their actions. Of course, that is unfortunately not always the case and alcohol abuse and addiction does happen. But, although there are arguments to be made on both sides, typically the thinking is that it is better to treat adults as adults than as children. It is possible to drink alcohol responsibly without becoming drunk, or a nuisance to society, and still have a good time.

I generally choose not to drink alcohol because I feel more comfortable when I can think quickly. But many of my friends choose to drink alcohol sometimes because they enjoy it, and it doesn't do anyone harm, because they're good people and they know what they're doing. So it doesn't bother me at all.

There are a lot of things in life that can be harmful if abused. But there's also a lot of things that can be rewarding if used properly. It's expected that adults can tell the difference, although in practice not everyone can.

I won't say that the western approach is perfect... Or even that there's one thing known as "the western approach". I mean they did ban alcohol in the USA in the '20s, as was mentioned, and so I can't exactly say that prohibition goes against western principles. If they banned it again, it wouldn't even affect me much, but I would still find unnerving the implication that I couldn't be trusted to handle myself.

Recreational drugs are tightly regulated here though, and there are often stiff penalties for having/selling/making/transporting them. But the black market is really resilient, and in spite of constant police crackdowns, gangs and organized crime make a large profit off of selling drugs. The same was true of alcohol when they banned it. So maybe the police are just more effective in Saudi Arabia, or maybe you're not as aware of the existence of a black market. But it hasn't really worked here, although it's been tried.

At any rate, my belief is that I can set a good example by my own behaviour, and act in a way that I think is good, without trying to control other people who do things that I disagree with.

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07.13.2012, 01:56 PM

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Mush quote:

"At any rate, my belief is that I can set a good example by my own behaviour, and act in a way that I think is good, without trying to control other people who do things that I disagree with."

I totally agree, Mush...
Alcohol was never a major player in my life, even though I have consumed a goodly quantity of it. Used with moderation, it is not a bad thing.

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07.13.2012, 02:06 PM

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I agree with you mush.

All i have to say is Law is for lawbreakers. If there was no law breaker there would be no law too.In Islam although every man is for himself for the sins he commited , the things that can cause greater damage to a lot of people is banned. these sort of things is not left to be decided by a person. Cause these things not only effects one but also people sorrounding him too. It was not prohibited upto a several years of the imergence of islam because of the long term habit of the people of that time then it was prohibited.Because islam was sent for long period of time and i can surely understand now why it was banned.

I do not know how many relatives of you live in saudi arabia. i know husky has a daughter there. Yes there is black market and there is possibility to get that. All are homemade and consequences(which is very bad) happen a lot of times. Now the point i made was controlling effectively. Now if you are a chemist and make tnt can you say it is available . Alcohol is like TNT in Saudi arab. almost absolutely impossible to get. But everything is getting more worse as the saudis are getting richer. I have atleast 100+ relatives working there in various fields they say saudies are getting more and more careless. But still this one law is quite in effect.

i really did not understand if you agreed with me about dragon ball or not because of the smiley(maybe not sure).I do not like to use them. So i do not know what they mean unless they easier ones like :-) :-( ;-) :-P etc.

And if you say you dont care what everybody does. or if you do not care if someone suffers then ........i have nothing to say. Then what did you learn from ghibli movies.

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07.13.2012, 02:26 PM

husky51
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again, you've misnderstood me..

When I said that alcohol was available in some Arab countries I didn't mean homenade, I meant legally obtained and consumed alcohol.... usually restricted for the consumption of Westerners...

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07.13.2012, 02:37 PM

fenkashi
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Also obtainable for non-Westerners. As long as you have the money.

And I would say DBZ is not a good example of 'quality' anime.

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07.13.2012, 02:46 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by husky51
again, you've misnderstood me..

When I said that alcohol was available in some Arab countries I didn't mean homenade, I meant legally obtained and consumed alcohol.... usually restricted for the consumption of Westerners...

Did i say arab country

i said saudi arabia.

Man. kuweit is a arab country but it will overthrow its law for alcohol in world cup. There are many other. in my country it is even easier.

07.13.2012, 02:46 PM

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Oi, Saviour.

quote:
Originally posted by husky51
Just for the record, there ARE places in Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries, that are allowed to sell alcohol to Westerners while they are staying in their hotels, etc.

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07.13.2012, 02:50 PM