@ arren: So I should avoid too many pronouns... noted. Mm, now you mention it I remember that しかし is not the best choice. I did want something a bit more conversational. Heh, thanks.


@ Roar: Ah, I was a little unsure whether -ます and -ました were okay mid-sentence. Using -ます is okay, I take it? But I should replace -ました with -たら... And yep, I think you're right about that last sentence.


@ Orphic: Haha, thanks but I don't think it's a very accurate reflection of my vocabulary. I had to look a lot up.


@ Saviour: I would recommend to you using Tae Kim's guide to Japanese:

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/

It's completely free and teaches Japanese from scratch (you begin by learning hiragana and katakana, then move onto grammar and kanji). I've used it a bit and so far it seems very good. It's also available as an app and in book form on Amazon if you prefer either of those. Oh, and it has a Facebook group as well.

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Post last edited by Kazegami on 05.05.2014, 07:13 AM.

Oh yeah I missed the bits with -ます and -ました mid-sentence. I'd say use て form if it's present tense, and either て or たら if it's past. Sometimes either of those implies a causal connection, so if you feel they're not linked closely enough, separate sentences would be better.

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@arren: Don't sweat it. Orphic's mention of the lack of 'no' before "tame ni" I noticed but forgot to mention as well.

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As I know it, "no de" is more formal and also more written. So where one would use "kara" in conversation, in reports or speeches "no de" is more fitting. I encounter both fairly often, but that's largely in a classroom context.

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As I know it, "no de" is more formal and also more written. So where one would use "kara" in conversation, in reports or speeches "no de" is more fitting. I encounter both fairly often, but that's largely in a classroom context.

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Yeah, we can try that.

So by coincidence, the kanji Kaz asked about lately (馬鹿) turned out to be among the ones I need to know for a quiz tomorrow. I hope I remember the deer one!

うん、そうしてみよう。

ちなみに、最近カゼ君について聞いた漢字（馬鹿）は明 日のクイズ為分からないといけない漢字で含まられると 気づいた。鹿を覚えればいいな．．．

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Post last edited by arren18 on 05.06.2014, 11:34 AM.

uh, konnichi-wa


lol

had to put my 2 cents in...

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uh, konnichi-wa


lol

had to put my 2 cents in...

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ねみんな、そろそろこのじいさんに日本語を教えましょ うか？

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Ha Ha, like I can read that, lol...
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yay, google translate, more or less, anyway.

don't know how accurate it is, but here is the translation...

"Everyone, or I'll tell the Japanese to this old man soon I?"

Old man, huh....

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Post last edited by husky51 on 05.07.2014, 09:45 AM.

The lack of comprehensible grammar should tell you it isn't a very accurate translation.

理解できる文法の欠如はあまり詳しくない訳文だと表す るはずだよ。

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Oh don't worry husky, it's nothing. Really. I can see how the program can mess up the translation though.

Well here's a hint: 教える, or oshieru can mean "to tell", as the program has tried to use. But it also has a different meaning, which if you can figure it out, can help this conversation to start rolling.

@arren: The japanese sentence sounds rather awkward. In translating, sometimes a direct translation does not necessarily make the best translation. I made that mistake too many times when I was scanlating the two WoTH manga, and have slowly learned to adjust. For example, "lack of compressible grammar" can be changed to "incomprehensible grammar" before a direct translation IMO.

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I know nothing about the Japanese language, but my flat mate is learning. I have seen her watching NHK World http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHK_World, she has been recording some good language programs.

If you are in the UK and on virgin media XL package it is channel 625.

No idea if Sky has it, but i think FreeSat does.

Just thought some of you may be interested.

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From what it shows on the Wikipedia page, it seems that Sky does indeed have the channel, as well as satellite companies in other countries. There is also a stream of some kind online, apparently.

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I can't remember if it's NHK or what, but there's one japanese channel on cable in my country that, although dishes out japanese shows, also dubs them so there's close to zero japanese to be heard. Fortunately, the radio has a local japanese program on weekday mornings I tune to occasionally.

NHKか別のチャンネルか覚えてないんですが、うちのカベ ルに日本語のチャンネルなのにダッブしちゃうチャンネ ルですから日本語ほとんどないんですよ。少なくとも平 日の朝のラジオに日本語の番組があるので時々それを聞 きます。

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kinda like when I was taking Spanish in college. part of our daily homework was to listen to Spanish language radio for at least 1/2 hour a day and Spanish TV for the same...

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Hm, I've been listening to NHK news now and then, using the TuneIn Radio app on my phone. I think you can access TuneIn Radio with a computer too... It's really good. You can get pretty much any station anywhere in the world. Loads of Japanese ones to choose from. And it's not just live radio you can get, you can get lots of episodes of various radio shows too. Funnily enough though it seems impossible to get live NHK radio if you're outside Japan. I've tried, but... no success.

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@arren: The japanese sentence sounds rather awkward. In translating, sometimes a direct translation does not necessarily make the best translation. I made that mistake too many times when I was scanlating the two WoTH manga, and have slowly learned to adjust. For example, "lack of compressible grammar" can be changed to "incomprehensible grammar" before a direct translation IMO.

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Post last edited by Orphic Okapi on 05.14.2014, 08:57 AM.

Ehh, I don't find it that particularly hard. Rule of thumb: don't translate the words, translate the meaning. As for me, I would personally translate it as this:

そのわけも分からぬ文法だけで分かるんでしょう、翻訳 が間違ってることを。

It's way different from what arren said, but the context and meaning remains, informal as the sentence may be.

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I was wondering the same thing as Orphic. While you can definitely do it Roar's less literal way, which I would actually prefer in certain contexts (literature, for example), there are times when I'd prefer to aim for something that conveys exactly all the points from the original statement. As such, I wish I could come up with something that is both closer to what I said in English, and more natural-sounding Japanese.

オールフィックさんと一緒や。確かにロールさんのよう に文字通りじゃない方法もある。実は、とある文脈(例� �ば文学)でその方法のほうがいいのに、元々の文の内容� ��詳しく表したい時もある。従って、英語の文にもっと� ��くても、もっと日本語らしい日本語のような訳文が浮� ��び上がってほしい。

edit: When I look at this post, some of the characters don't show up properly. In the edit page it's fine, but I wonder if it appears like that for everyone else?

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Post last edited by arren18 on 05.15.2014, 07:10 AM.

I'm also getting some question marks for some reason.

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