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Neon genesis evangelion

Now i am not a anime watcher at all.

So this series is the second one i am going to watch fully.

Now does anybody know where did those angels came from(i have watched upto episode 10) if it answered in the series then there is no need to answer my question.

And as a inexperienced viewer i had no idea that fanservice is a opensecret. They just said that when reviewing the next episode.

The series is overall good but no where near the quality of ghibli. The fillers are boring and repititive. The use of sensuality is just pure bad. But its interesting(series) specially because of the characters.

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10.02.2012, 10:49 AM

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I don't watch near the amount of anime that many others in the Tavern do, but fanservice is present in most of them IMO to some degree or another. I personally like the anime and manga that do not have much fanservice if any at all. To me it detracts from the storyline. Even Ghibli has some fanservice in it, the scenes where the underclothing is exposed, etc. Admittedly, not much and that is fine with me.

If the fanservice doesn't relate to the storyline, then it isn't needed as far as I am concerned.

As to the origin of the 'Angels', I am not sure. It seems to be tied in with religion in some way, but I am not sure. Others might have a better read on this than I...

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10.02.2012, 11:56 AM

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I rate NGE as the finest anime TV series written. There are really very minimal bits in it that involve nudity and I would not call any of them fanservice because when you see the whole story, those scenes are in there for a reason. They tell us things about the characters.

Fanservice is sexual titillation without any other purpose. There is no fanservice in NGE.

There is a great deal of speculation about the full meaning of NGE but since it was written by a man who was coming out of a bout of near suicidal depression at the time, it has numerous themes mixed up in it with much imagery that has little or no impact on the main story. Your best bet is to read one or more of the Evangelion Wikis or fan sites.

What 'fillers' did you find in NGE? As far as I know there are none and every episode has meaning for the story.

And yes. The characters. It is all about the characters. In fact the characters is all it is, in a sense. The sci-fi story is mostly irrelevant.

I hope you keep watching it to the end.

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10.02.2012, 12:20 PM

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I think it's hugely overrated. It's not terrible, and especially towards the end there are some interesting themes that come up, but the pacing is bad and a lot of the first half doesn't serve the story much or even explore the themes all that well. And I only liked one character.

But on the other hand I don't see why it's regarded as being particularly heavy on fanservice. I can see it more in the subsequent merchandising, but there wasn't much in the series that seemed geared towards arousal.

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Perhaps I mis-used the term, 'fanservice'. I was referring to the exposure of underwear and brief nudity, etc... regardless of whether it was gratuitous or not.

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My bad

Practically showing body parts forcefully(there are countless scenes like this in nge)(can be understood by camera angle) is faservice to me

And anything unrelated to the main theme and story(now day to day life is a important task so thats not included) is fillers to me.

My philosophy is quite different toward things as you already know.

So nobody(who answered) here knows the answer.
But thanks for replying though.

But arren i think its not hugely overrated. And its interesting from the first episode(it may be because i am a super fan of science fiction). and characters are quite interesting too. Such as till now i know nothing about Rei.

The thing i am annoyed that as each girl enters fan service increases. first that captain , then rei a little bit , Asuka very very much that i am forced to post here. who knows how many girls more. I just dont like that.

10.02.2012, 04:03 PM

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And that's the good point about us, saviour. You have expressed your opinion and I, for one, can accept that. I do not agree with it entirely, but it is your opinion on NGE...

We all look at the same things differently

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10.02.2012, 06:54 PM

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I suppose whether or not something is really fanservice can be a tricky question. In live-action film, the camera picks up real things which can include incidental examples of, say, nudity, whereas in animation, somebody has to draw it, which makes it more deliberate.

I would go with the same definition as Saddles - that it's a matter of purpose - but I'd still say it's rather subjective. The creators can say whatever they like about what they intended, but it comes down to what the viewer imagines to be the purpose. So what is fanservice to one person can be incidental nudity to another, or something more complex to somebody else.

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The angels came from somewhere unexplained in the story.

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Originally posted by saviour2012
My bad

Practically showing body parts forcefully(there are countless scenes like this in nge)(can be understood by camera angle) is faservice to me

And anything unrelated to the main theme and story(now day to day life is a important task so thats not included) is fillers to me.

We're talking about the original series, right? Not the movie remake or OVAs?

There's very little fanservice in the show; in fact, I can think of only one: Asuka bathing in the ruins. All others have perfectly reasonable explanations.

And a story devoid of "unrelated" events is not a story, it's called a documentary

Personally, I think you're watching it with the wrong perspective. This is not a mecha series despite it's genre, it's a philosophical show about the human psyche. Watch it in that light and you'll understand the series better.

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10.03.2012, 12:17 PM

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Perhaps I mis-used the term, 'fanservice'. I was referring to the exposure of underwear and brief nudity, etc... regardless of whether it was gratuitous or not.

Fanservice is gratuitous. Its only purpose is to titilate. If its not, then its not fanservice.

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quote:
Originally posted by saviour2012
Practically showing body parts forcefully(there are countless scenes like this in nge)(can be understood by camera angle) is faservice to me

And anything unrelated to the main theme and story(now day to day life is a important task so thats not included) is fillers to me.

Husky was a polite gentleman, but to me you are misunderstanding both terms.

Fanservice = covered that above.

Fillers = scenes (but more usually whole episodes) that do not progress the story or the characters at all. Sometimes this can be side-stories irrelevant to the main plot and/or main characters, sometimes even complete summaries of the story so far.

I can forgive you if you are still early in the series, things will make a lot more sense as the story goes on and we learn more about why the characters are acting like they are. Its not until close to the end that many reasons for people's behaviour is fully revealed, therefore what you may be thinking are fillers now, are not. I sincerely assure you of that. Everything is pushing the story onwards.

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10.03.2012, 01:06 PM

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[Husky was a polite gentleman, but to me you are misunderstanding both terms.

Fanservice = covered that above.

Was a polite gentlemen??? You mean I'm not anymore!!!

as for 'fanservice', I agree with your definition, Saddles. I was explaining that I had mis-used the term to cover all such scenes.

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I almost(yeah not fully) take back my words on fanservice. it was happening in earlier but for the last seven episodes it is not like that.

The series is very very interesting.

However there is one complete filler episode like episode 14.

10.05.2012, 08:02 AM

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Watched episode 17

I think there is some deep relation between shinji and rei. like mother son. Guessing she was made from corpse or remains of his mother. I am thinking like that because of the behavior of commander ikari towards rei.

The series is very very interesting.

10.05.2012, 01:32 PM

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You'e getting there...

I told you it was a great series.

Its one of those that when you watch it through the second time is even better because you then understand a lot of the seemingly minor or irrelevant things that were going on early in the story.

I have the series on DVD. I need another session to sit down and watch it all again.

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10.06.2012, 09:18 AM

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sorry

But it is getting disgusting again. episode 18,19,20. was very vulgar and had gore. in episode 20 to be most polite it can be said a passive pornography episode.

Anno has a very bad taste drawing beasts. In Nausicaa of the valley of the wind you can find his tradition of drawing .He drew the giant warrior. Evangelion series also came from this idea. Glad he was not in Princess Mononoke otherwise the beast would have been hideous.

10.06.2012, 11:03 AM

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Er, disgusting?

The events surrounding Touji is a rather common theme in a many mecha series, also seen in Bokurano and Gundam.

The idea is to remind the viewers that the enemy isn't just a robot/monster/tank/fighter plane. Remember, Shinji believed that he was supposed to be fighting a foreign invasion, so when he was denied response to saving the pilot, he was naturally upset. But "upset" turned to "madness" when he realized that his own friend was the pilot.

End point: Humans react differently when someone close to them is involved. Especially when that human is already emotionally unstable.

Half the time, the enemy is human just like us, with families and hopes and dreams. In the manga series Gantz (not your thing, don't read it), after several "alien extermination", one particular alien who could speak asked why humans were killing them, and much later, it was revealed that every single one of the alien species on Earth were simply there to find a new home, not invade.

It may look like simple fanservice of gore, but as I said, there's a reason behind them most of them.

NGE is an anime exploring the human psyche, you really need to remember this. Don't think about "Ew, that's disgusting," or "There's too much nudity." Instead, ask yourself, what is the scene trying to explain? Why is there nudity? Why is there a sex scene (oh yes, there's one)?

Rei in a tube. If she was dressed here, that would be weird.

I think you'll remember in ep 5 or 6 when Shinji fell on top of Rei. Admittedly, the grabbing of her breast was a deliberate fanservice, but the scene and events itself was not. Rei was portrayed as emotionless, but her reactions before (look at how she glared at Shiji wearing the glasses) and after the accident showed how much she cared for Gendo, so she wasn't emotionless as Shinji thought she was.

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10.06.2012, 12:22 PM

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I just ordered this series from Amazon; the DVDs will probably be here in a week. Until then I am decidedly not reading this thread.

Edit - (la la la, still not reading this whole thread yet, trying to avoid spoilers, sorry! Also, very minor spoilers ahead). But just wanted to jump in and say I'm really enjoying this so far. I'm only 6 episodes in, so too early to tell much of anything, and pretty much what's happened so far is that Shinji has been subjected to overwhelming non-stop psychological abuse by his estranged father, for the good of the country. Someone give this poor kid a hug!

That said, it isn't a criticism; on the contrary, it's quite interesting. Giant robot anime always seem to have a thing about child soldiers, but Evangelion seems to be making the trauma and emotional torment a central focus. Even if it's not especially pleasant subject matter, it's been captivating so far.

Also the engineering in the show is crazy cool. Story and drama aside, it's fun just to see all the wheels spinning, the alerts flashing, the safety locks, and the characters running confirmations and estimates past each other. It seems like they had some very creative people involved with technical experience, and I appreciate that a lot more than the common applied-phlebotinum approach. Pumping Bakelite onto a berserk robot? Stuff not working? Battle robots with umbilicals and a five-minute battery life? Earth's magnetic field affecting the trajectory of your ion beam? When they ran the prototype rifle off the country's power grid, I couldn't help but estimate in my head how hot the copper wires would get (I'm a nerd, okay! Sorry!). Then the next scene shows smoke coming out of the cables (yaay!). Despite the fact that it goes over-the-top constantly (or maybe because of it), some aspects of this show feel like applied fictional problem-solving 101, a class that I would definitely take if it were ever offered.

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10.06.2012, 02:12 PM

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As an engineer... I concur You still have to wonder how a 30-ft robot can withstand gravity though, lol.

Now that we're talking scientific, here's a question: does the concept behind LCL seem remotely possible at all? Oxygenised liquid entering your lungs doesn't sound very safe, to be honest.

Also, buildings popping out from the ground sounds fine and all, but considering the weight of concrete, I can't imagine the amount of hydraulic pressure needed to do all that, nor the energy required.

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10.11.2012, 12:01 PM