Ghibli Tavern - Anime town Akihabara

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

quote:
Originally posted by husky51
not understanding the reasoning for WHY would he record the sound???

you get to listen to the sound before you can see it after one year. there will be no cam version of almost any Japanese movie. you all should know my primary way of watching movie.

__________________
Watch everything but only take the good things from it

Ask, think and learn. Because the more we know the more we grow.

Watching the wrong to happen is the same as commiting the wrong.

If it looks like things are forcing you to be creative, Then be creative.

its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi

07.27.2013, 07:47 AM

Kazegami
Miyazaki's Best Friend

Registration Date: 08.19.07
Location: a world of pure imagination
Posts: 7025

The recording would be bad quality and you wouldn't know what was going on anyway without the picture... Can't you just wait like the rest of us?

__________________

My Anime List

07.27.2013, 08:33 AM

Registration Date: 08.15.06
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 10665

Yeah, I feel like it's rather odd behaviour for a big fan to be pestering somebody to pirate a film - even if it is just the audio.

Especially in a thread mostly about maid cafes.

__________________

07.27.2013, 08:35 AM

Koda
Ohmu

Registration Date: 07.09.13
Location: England
Posts: 454

Slightly moved off topic haha ?, but yes Maids I like maids, trying to get the Gf to get a maid uniform .

I'd rather wait to see it, I still have like 12 Ghibli films to watch, plus pre Ghibli. My wallet is already crying, from the money I have been bleeding on the Ghibli films.

__________________
"A loving heart is the beginning of all knowledge

07.27.2013, 08:38 AM

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

quote:
Originally posted by arren18
Yeah, I feel like it's rather odd behaviour for a big fan to be pestering somebody to pirate a film - even if it is just the audio.

Especially in a thread mostly about maid cafes.

i really have to watch steins;gate otherwise this pirating issue could be burning discussion of the month. but one thing first i do not consider it illegal. but i respected forum rules so never posted or insisted on it.and i am not telling him to pirate the movie. recording is not considered pirating. displaying the recorded thing is. you can record it for yourself. and i have not said him to upload it for me.[well although i would have liked that but i do not know what the file size will be] however that's too late he is probably not going to do that. so topic closed for me

Post last edited by saviour2012 on 07.27.2013, 09:57 AM.

07.27.2013, 09:28 AM

Registration Date: 09.28.06
Location: On your case
Posts: 10069

Best not to ask for weird illegal stuff like that again. I know we all know it goes on but just asking blatantly about it was pretty odd, especially coming from someone like you who gives the impression they have high moral standards.

__________________
Isakaya High School Roleplaying Info

"An old man like me stands no chance fighting against a high school girl in her underwear" - Oshino Meme, Nekomonogatari (Kuro)

07.27.2013, 10:35 AM

Registration Date: 08.15.06
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 10665

Actually saviour, if it's still only available in cinemas it doesn't matter whether you intend to make money off it. They always tell you to turn off phones and recording devices for a reason.

Anyway, let's not go on about this. We've been off topic for more than long enough. About Akihabara - does anybody know of anime series other than Steins;Gate that are set there?

__________________

07.27.2013, 12:55 PM

husky51
The Old Guy

Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12792

I think that Train Man is at least partially set there. I've seen others as well, but can't remember them right off...

There is another one that revolves around two or three kids (one a girl) about 12 or 13 I think. Where the district is deteriorating or something along those lines. It seems like there was an duck icon hanging over a doorway. (?)

__________________

07.27.2013, 07:45 PM

Registration Date: 09.28.06
Location: On your case
Posts: 10069

You might be confusing it with the Tokyo district of Dukihabara, famous for bath toys.

__________________
Isakaya High School Roleplaying Info

"An old man like me stands no chance fighting against a high school girl in her underwear" - Oshino Meme, Nekomonogatari (Kuro)

07.28.2013, 04:16 PM

husky51
The Old Guy

Registration Date: 03.17.08
Location: Southern California
Posts: 12792

No, I don't believe so. There was distinct reference to Akihabara in these films.

__________________

07.28.2013, 09:06 PM

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

i think if i talk about cuteness it will not be offtopic. as anime tend to emphasize on it a lot. i think cuteness is inherently a property or characteristic of small kids. A small puppy, kitty even a baby tiger looks cute but when they grow older they dont. so i absolutely do not like the idea of artificially making older girls look younger than their age to make them look cute. because i think they dont like that in real life[please do not bring the cosmetic or plastic surgery]. and cute is not just for girls, a baby regardless of gender looks cute. but it seems to me that artificially beautification is done only to girls. which is another aspect of the thing, i said in a earlier time that fanservice is way too common is these anime. i really do not understand the term fetish you guys said.i would say it passive pervert-ism a term that i feel westerns have coined to somehow legalize their view over these things to their conscience. Overall i think even if it looks great it has a market i do not feel it is necessary to do that.you do not need to say woman are imperfect and you have a fantasy about them and you will like them to be the way you want. if you can not visualize or accept a human being in this case a woman the way she is, i think it is quite sad. Japanese anime artists are not understanding that fact atleast most of them but i found some to be quite different i we keep the ghibli aside, we have millennium actress and so many other films that accepts a person how they are naturally. but my problem is that is not what normal people usually get. I think this japanese anime culture has a bad impact on overall mental health of people. at least i think that from anime forums and facebook pages.

Post last edited by saviour2012 on 07.29.2013, 01:30 AM.

07.29.2013, 01:27 AM

Kazegami
Miyazaki's Best Friend

Registration Date: 08.19.07
Location: a world of pure imagination
Posts: 7025

I disagree. Because, as usual, people know how separate fantasy from reality. They may like anime girls, but they also know that they are unrealistically thin and pretty, and in the end, nothing more than animations on a screen. I love anime with lots of beautiful boys in it, but I know I'm never going to find anyone in real life who looks like them. And I'm fine with that, since I'm more than capable of being attracted to real boys as well as the ones on the screen. Sure, there will always be a couple of weird individuals who want their partner to be just like an anime character, but they're a minority so small that they're not even worth discussing. In the main, people understand perfectly well that real men and women don't look like they do in anime.

__________________

My Anime List

07.29.2013, 03:24 AM

Registration Date: 08.15.06
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 10665

Like Kaz says, people that do think that way are a small minority (though often exaggerated in Japanese media) but it is true that there are some complex issues around ideas about cuteness. However, it sounds to me like saviour is attributing this to anime, whereas in reality the root cause lies elsewhere, and anime is just one example of it. Besides, the fact remains that animation isn't realistic, and most people do realise that.

Anyway, it is tricky. While saviour is right in his view that the pervasiveness of such fanservice in anime is concerning, these ideas aren't only marketed as fanservice. It can also be, and often is, targeted at women themselves.

__________________

07.29.2013, 04:12 AM

Registration Date: 09.28.06
Location: On your case
Posts: 10069

quote:
Originally posted by husky51
No, I don't believe so. There was distinct reference to Akihabara in these films.

I can't believe you missed the joke Husky! You're seriously getting old dude!

I agree - again!- with Saviour to a large extent and the cuteness and Moe images we see so often in anime now are being reflected in real life, as per our other discussion.

However anime is a very specific artform and draws all its roots from manga and in that drawing style there are numerous conventions and rules on how to depict things... like emotions especially.

The ways in which girl's faces are drawn by some artists (not all) makes it extremely hard (for me at least) to guess the character's age and girls with small busts or none at all are often used to show a character younger looking than they are.

I agree fanservice is too prevalent in mainstream anime these days and it seems to be getting worse. The problem is it appeals to the young male audience who are the primary buyers of anime.

You'd have to be more specific about that issue of fetishes you mentioned, Saviour as I'm not sure what you are referring to. The meaning of the word 'fetish' can be easily found in an online dictionary. I have never ever come across the phrase you used "passive pervert-ism". I am sure you just made that up! While some individuals will always try to justify their lifestyles by hiding behind words, most recognise the issue and I certainly don't think "the west" is trying to justify anything. A vast segment of American and European people abhor pornography in all its forms and if fetishes and fanservice appear in anime, they abhor that as well, as I am certain the majority of posters on this forum do.

There are of course whole internet communities like the 'chans' that openly embrace and discuss anime smut but please don't take those sites as being a majority example.

There are excellent quality anime out there, both films and series that are not pandering to the customer who wants to watch that kind of thing, but as in all aspects of life, women are sexualised in anime just as they are sexualised elsewhere. I'm not condoning it, just saying its been around for hundreds of years.

__________________
Isakaya High School Roleplaying Info

"An old man like me stands no chance fighting against a high school girl in her underwear" - Oshino Meme, Nekomonogatari (Kuro)

Post last edited by Saddletank on 07.29.2013, 07:11 AM.

07.29.2013, 06:55 AM

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

quote:
Originally posted by arren18
Like Kaz says, people that do think that way are a small minority (though often exaggerated in Japanese media) but it is true that there are some complex issues around ideas about cuteness.

I would not say that millions can be said minority, as we do not know what actually is minority. after all this is what you said in women equality thread and gays thread so do not call a issue minority as that can be valid for you too.
i agree that the theory of beautiful is not quite easy to most of us but i think cuteness is. or atleast to me. Cute is something you want to touch softly that is a reason why i like babies so much, their voice and even their little naughtiness like coloring a important document or wall is cute. but for little older people to do this, is just purely annoying to be most polite. there are some phrases in my language but i cant express them as i do not know the exact english synonym.

quote:
Originally posted by arren18
However, it sounds to me like saviour is attributing this to anime, whereas in reality the root cause lies elsewhere, and anime is just one example of it. Besides, the fact remains that animation isn't realistic, and most people do realise that.

if you want to find the root then i will say that is the geisha culture that attributed to this. now i do not know what you guys will make out of this but geisha's are nothing but a very very very high class prostitute. Now it can be said that anime has not come from this but that perverseness really have come from this. And that can not bring any good.

The thing about reality could be said about cartoons. But something that is targeted towards adults should not contain anything that is purely unrealistic. Fantasy is realistic , people have been fantasizing about prince princess and terms around these things for thousands of years.But we only tell these stories to children to somehow encourage them to be strong and brave like the king or nice and kind like the princess. But i think anime has gone too far. Not only it has enabled older people to have weird fantasies but also it has created a colorful vivid world to think in. I think some issue is arising about it, search for anime is dying or something similar in google. here is a link. But in spite that more and more people are getting accustomed with anime. Indian subcontinent and south asia is great example with almost 2 billions of people they are getting a one-third audience of the world here. But they are not buying almost anything.West is the only major business to them right now. So i think we are seeing this trend toward this particular type of hmm.... display is more because of business. I think it was not as overwhelming thirty years back. And if you say they are just stupid tv show then i lose because i thought you guys or even japanese artists thought anime as a major medium of expressing art, at least movies are.

quote:
Originally posted by arren18
Anyway, it is tricky. While saviour is right in his view that the pervasiveness of such fanservice in anime is concerning, these ideas aren't only marketed as fanservice. It can also be, and often is, targeted at women themselves.

after discussing with you guys for the last one year i found something that if there is a audience in west then there is a business no matter what it is. So i am not very surprised if it is targeted towards women but even then it actually means creating fantasy about something that is purely insane. If you say most anime are insane then only you points can be taken.if you guys agree that most anime are insane then even if it feels nice to watch i should not watch it anymore.

I think you all know the word otaku, IT is a negative word. And people like this are increasing.

Post last edited by saviour2012 on 07.29.2013, 07:24 AM.

07.29.2013, 07:18 AM

Registration Date: 09.28.06
Location: On your case
Posts: 10069

Fantasy worlds and escapism are not a bad thing. There's much good in a person with a busy life to stop and set time aside to let their mind escape into a made up world. Books, poetry, music, film, TV, looking at fine art, and anime all give that necessary escape. I think those things are actually essential for a person to remain balanced and sane.

I would not say the Geisha is anything to do with the state of anime currently. Anime is Japanese and all of Japanese culture and history has contributed to what anime is today, not one small element of Japanese society. You get so many destructive apocylptic endings to so many anime films because of the effect that Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the collective Japanese conscious.

Much of anime's artstyle has been heavily influenced by western cartoons as well, especially from the 1940s onwards.

Anime and all its side-industry such as art books, figures, clothing, cosplaying, soft toys, etc etc, is 100% aimed at a Japanese market. None of it is aimed specifically at a western market. Not one single anime studio has its main arists, directors and financial backers sit down at a table and say "What anime shall we create that appeals to Americans?" Their money is made at home. The only western-specific anime spin-off industry I have seen is cosplay sites and that I imagine is due to the simple fact that westerners and Japanese have very different sizes.

The fact that western consumers buy it is a bonus, but its not its primary market at all. The fact that huge markets like India may be watching vast amounts of anime but not buying it simply underlines the colossal piracy and downloading market which we know has always been prevalent in Asia.

Yes, there's an otaku sub-culture in Japan and yes its getting a lot of media attention recently. But an otaku is not inherently a bad thing, certain otaku are just fanatical fans of certain anime series and collect dozens of different copies of DVD boxed sets, toys and books. In fact, perversely, the otaku is actually a good thing for anime as they buy a great deal of goods. It is only very certain otaku who are not harmless and who pester women or take their fantasy worlds out into the street and cause problems, however you get extreme reactions to almost anything in any society because you get extreme personalities in every society.

If anime didn't exist, you'd still have some crazy people in Japan doing sociopathic things, just like they do everywhere else.

__________________
Isakaya High School Roleplaying Info

"An old man like me stands no chance fighting against a high school girl in her underwear" - Oshino Meme, Nekomonogatari (Kuro)

Post last edited by Saddletank on 07.29.2013, 07:42 AM.

07.29.2013, 07:38 AM

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

quote:
Originally posted by Saddletank
I can't believe you missed the joke Husky! You're seriously getting old dude!

so there is no dukibahara?

quote:
Originally posted by Saddletank
You'd have to be more specific about that issue of fetishes you mentioned, Saviour as I'm not sure what you are referring to. The meaning of the word 'fetish' can be easily found in an online dictionary. I have never ever come across the phrase you used "passive pervert-ism". I am sure you just made that up! While some individuals will always try to justify their lifestyles by hiding behind words, most recognise the issue and I certainly don't think "the west" is trying to justify anything. A vast segment of American and European people abhor pornography in all its forms and if fetishes and fanservice appear in anime, they abhor that as well, as I am certain the majority of posters on this forum do.

There are of course whole internet communities like the 'chans' that openly embrace and discuss anime smut but please don't take those sites as being a majority example

yeah i made that word, i explains my feeling more better. I looked the word but it is not self explaining it feels more like a seducing or similar the habit you get when you drink too much alcohol or take drug. did not understand it.

but the thing you said not liking porn is not true. it was at a time. but the youth now openly likes porn. i had access to many secret sites with more than several millions of active users. to name one i would say iptorrents such a big secret site that my account got deleted because of inactivity for two months. i there tried to somehow make porn little less attractive to download.but just got bashed by them. i have been seeing in several sites even imdb that porn gets rated even reviewed. things are changing very fast. and even several porn artist even ported to mainstream. and people accepted them!! that is what i want to convey,people liked this all along but now they are not shy of it. even though the thing have not been changed at all. now people exchange their porn stash. yeah even in my own room i have noticed that they have exchanged porn in pendrive with some other guys in other room. they want to hide it from me as i will throw the pendrive. but i feel bad for myself that i do not live in a good wrold.

our forum is unique. hope it stays like this for the coming days.

07.29.2013, 07:55 AM

Registration Date: 02.24.12
Location: Dhaka,Bangladesh
Posts: 1749

quote:
Originally posted by Saddletank
Fantasy worlds and escapism are not a bad thing. There's much good in a person with a busy life to stop and set time aside to let their mind escape into a made up world. Books, poetry, music, film, TV, looking at fine art, and anime all give that necessary escape. I think those things are actually essential for a person to remain balanced and sane.

I would not say the Geisha is anything to do with the state of anime currently. Anime is Japanese and all of Japanese culture and history has contributed to what anime is today, not one small element of Japanese society. You get so many destructive apocylptic endings to so many anime films because of the effect that Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the collective Japanese conscious.

Much of anime's artstyle has been heavily influenced by western cartoons as well, especially from the 1940s onwards.

Anime and all its side-industry such as art books, figures, clothing, cosplaying, soft toys, etc etc, is 100% aimed at a Japanese market. None of it is aimed specifically at a western market. Not one single anime studio has its main arists, directors and financial backers sit down at a table and say "What anime shall we create that appeals to Americans?" Their money is made at home. The only western-specific anime spin-off industry I have seen is cosplay sites and that I imagine is due to the simple fact that westerners and Japanese have very different sizes.

The fact that western consumers buy it is a bonus, but its not its primary market at all. The fact that huge markets like India may be watching vast amounts of anime but not buying it simply underlines the colossal piracy and downloading market which we know has always been prevalent in Asia.

Yes, there's an otaku sub-culture in Japan and yes its getting a lot of media attention recently. But an otaku is not inherently a bad thing, certain otaku are just fanatical fans of certain anime series and collect dozens of different copies of DVD boxed sets, toys and books. In fact, perversely, the otaku is actually a good thing for anime as they buy a great deal of goods. It is only very certain otaku who are not harmless and who pester women or take their fantasy worlds out into the street and cause problems, however you get extreme reactions to almost anything in any society because you get extreme personalities in every society.

If anime didn't exist, you'd still have some crazy people in Japan doing sociopathic things, just like they do everywhere else.

agreed totally.[overall, i think it is stupidity to debate on minor things]

what is my ultimate question in media is can it really change a person, to me it can, to you guys it cant.

Otaku is a negative japanese word means more or less a person who does not have a social life so he lives in fantasy.

sorry this seems a bit odd i know but i actually included japan in west,well it is not my fault bluray region A means west and japan so a mistake by me.as west people also buys the same thing. but they do consider west nowadays.

And i am really very anxious about what will happen when i am your age? [if allah has given me that time]

the way culture is going i am definitely not liking it. people do not want to talk about good things now. i have not been able to make my roommates to watch mononoke or nauscicaa. i might be able to do that for woth, but that is solely because it has romance.

Post last edited by saviour2012 on 07.29.2013, 08:42 AM.

07.29.2013, 08:24 AM