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Weren't there rumours of a Porco sequel? Or was that the idea that turned into The Wind Rises?
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That might have been a separate rumour. From what I remember, it appeared on IMDB at some point, and was suggested to be a real project, but then in time nothing was revealed about it. So it might never have really been planned.
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Could be Kaze Tachinu where that title was a working project? The two focuses on war and planes after all, although to be honest I haven't actually read the supposed manga sequel to porco rosso.
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There are two rumours which were floated around regarding Porco Rosso. The first was a mistranslation of an interview where Miyazaki discussed ideas (as he tends to do) for a Porco sequel (film), quickly adding that it would never happen. The latter part didn't make it into the English press. The other rumour was based on Miyazaki's thoughts about continuing the story in its manga form.
A new Porco Rosso film was never seriously considered, as far as I know.
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Sequel is not a miyazaki thing as far as i understand. Thats why what i consider his finest movie he is letting it's sequel to be done by someone who(Anno) is famous for destroying beautiful things.(and i dont want to argue about that).
[( actually i consider nausicaa and mononoke same, the director himself said that what he could not display(a semi-sad ending) in nausicaa was conveyed in mononoke)]
But i will be very surprised if he releases any new film within next two-three years. I only see him making adaptations if he really does any. However if he already have a storyboard it will be a different story. Other than that Kaze Tachinu IS the last real film of miyazaki.
And i dont feel i really expect something from him. What massage he wanted to give has already been given. by nausicaa mononoke and kaze tachinu.
NB: I am considering 80 years to be the maximum workable age of a person.
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Given how long it takes a quality anime film to be made, not seeing anything from Miyazaki in the next 2-3 years isn't surprising. A person can produce beautiful and good work far after their 80th year, many artists have done just that. Picasso was producing work well ahead of his time until he was 90 and Claude Monet is well known for his prolific series of water lily paintings, painted at his house at Giverny between 1920 and when he died aged 86 in 1926.
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Anno is famous for destroying beautiful things and i dont want to argue about that.
I don't want to argue either though I'm curious why you think this way. Anno Hideaki is highly respected in the anime industry and a close friend of Miyazaki. His voice acting for Kaze was superb and perfect for the role.
Where has Anno "destroyed beautiful things" in your view?
Since when is he famous for doing this?
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I read some articles about Anno, specially after miyazaki announced that. his other works beside neon genesis i tried to read about it.However i have not seen his other works. But many people have said his works are weird.
The thing is i do not feel that Anno can make something beautiful.I found rather than giving a massage(or trying to fix) his works tries to make a parallel system of escape from this reality.I think i have always really hated the post modernism movement in art. I like miyazaki and takahata cause they ask the right question but Anno is very different. In nausicaa i really did not like that Monster And i did not know anno animated that part for a long time. And although how neon genesis started he ended it with something soo bizarre i cant/wont probably watch it twice. But it is not that i dont like him. I definitely address his talent. But its not OK for me to have him direct a film i really like.
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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However i have not seen his other works.
In that case you're not really in a position to judge. If you're going to make sweeping statements about people in the anime industry you should at least watch what they have produced, not just one show.
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But many people have said his works are weird.
This doesn't make them weird though, don't be a sheep and blindly follow other's opinions. As Dave Gilmour wrote "There's no safety in numbers when the right one walks out the door."
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The thing is i do not feel that Anno can make something beautiful.
I'm thinking you've watched one series, didn't enjoy it and think that's all he has to offer. I found Evangelion truly uplifting and beautiful, it was empowering and positive and having been through hard times and tough personal experiences I found I could relate to the characters completely. In the same way Orphic found Utena truly magical and powerful, I didn't, but I can still appreciate it as a fine work of art and see where it would empower people and let them connect to it. People who simply dismiss Evangelion don't allow themselves to see its value for others. If it just left you confused how can you judge it at all? That's like saying mathematics has no value if you can't understand it. Perhaps you didn't connect to it because you had no empathy for the characters or their situations. Or maybe your cultural upbringing made you see pornography where there is none.
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In nausicaa i really did not like that Monster And i did not know anno animated that part for a long time.
You would need to focus your dislike towards Miyazaki then and not Anno. He only animated it, he didn't create it. It's Miyazaki's creation.
Does that affect your impression of it?
There's a lot of people who think the Fire God Giants (or whatever they are) give a very powerful image and sum up man's folly in harnessing technological forces he doesn't understand. This is very much a Miyazaki message; the same message is stated in many of his works, most recently in Kaze.
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although how neon genesis started he ended it with something soo bizarre i cant/wont probably watch it twice.
There's a lot of anime I won't watch again. I doubt I'll watch Utena again but I definitely think its a great work.
You know what? If you're ever in Britain I'll welcome you to my house, sit you down and we'll watch Eva together. I'll help you see the value in it.
Anyway, we should continue this discussion in the Eva thread and leave this one for Ghibli-related posts.
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See saddle i said i do not want to argue about it. I just wrote how i came to that decision.
My opinion has been quite clear about it. that is what i understand the style of Anno wont allow him to create something beautiful. Although i have not seen his other works i think i have definitely understood his style.
You might not understand that from only one work. But i can. Its the reason why i like miyazaki cause i understood the style by watching his first movie. Its same for live actions. Where i did not like any of the Torantino movies even sometimes when i did not know it was directed by him. some of those are rated 8 in imdb.
Ofcourse that does not mean i am correct and thats why i said i dont want to argue about it.
NB: Thank you very much for your invitation. I will gladly accept it. Many of my relatives live in london. Still its unlikely to visit britain as i am from a third world country. But Allah knows the future.
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
taken from a quote of Saddletank and Orphic Okapi
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This what Miyazaki is doing recently
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/201...previewed-on-tv
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its a uniquely Miyazaki film, one only he could make and its uniqueness places it beyond being easily critiqued.[About Porco Rosso]
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Happy Birthday for yesterday Hayao Miyazaki 
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Originally posted by saviour2012 Although i have not seen his other works i think i have definitely understood his style.
This is not an argument BTW.
If you have only seen Evangelion you DO NOT know Anno's style. Kare Kano could not be more different either in content or style of animation and directing.
Also just because you didn't like it, that does not mean it is not "beautiful". Personal opinion can't be allowed to cloud objective judgement over these things. People thought Monet and Renoir produced only children's daubs when impressionism blasted onto the art world in the 1880s
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You might not understand that from only one work. But i can. Its the reason why i like miyazaki cause i understood the style by watching his first movie.
You know what this is? I think you mean something different when you use the word "style" to what its actual meaning is.
It also comes across as somewhat arrogant when a person makes a statement such as you just did. Its like saying "I don't need to read the New Testament because I got the idea of what the Bible's about from reading the Old Testament". Its a nonesense statement and only exposes that person's own ignorance.
I know you're wrong because I've watched several of his works and none of them are remotely like Evangelion. Try watching Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honneamise which he directed. Its a terribly gentle and spiritual story that hints at religion and man's folly in expensive useless technology such as the space race when there are marginalised people much more in need of a planets resources. Something further away from Evangelion in both message and visual impact would be hard to find.
Style is about drawings (for example). You can see similar features in the faces of Kiki, Sheeta, Fio and Nausicaa because that kind of face is Miyazaki's style.
Evangelion used a certain style because it was making fun of the mecha anime genre. That style of art isn't used in Anno's other works.
You really ought to watch more of his work. He's collaborated with Miyazaki on several Studio Ghibli shorts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideaki_Anno
Also, please be aware (and we've been here before) that making a bold and controversial statement such as you have just done on a public discussion forum and then refusing to back up your opinion in any way is known as trolling. You really need to stop doing it. Either support what you say with reasoned argument or just don't say it.
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OK i understand you really like Anno's work. No need to cry about it.
I already said that i feel that way.And also said i might not be right.
I could have tried to change my views bla bla if it mattered. If i could made miyazaki not letting him direct the film then i would have watched all his works read his writings. Then make you understand why i feel that way by giving facts.I could have done that if i was arts student or an editor of a website newspaper bla bla. But i am not in any of these situations.
And i think i am free to make any statement abiding by the rules of this forum. Everytime where i have an opinion about something that is not important i just say its my opinion only. And i do not reject opinions of other people in that particular subject. You said Anno might be great i am not disagreeing with you it may or may be not right. It does not matter really.
This is the last time i will clear myself about these things. So please when you see one of my opinions with a sidenote that says i dont want to argue. Ignore it or just express your opinion. For most of the subject revolving around arts my opinion will differ with you greatly. It is not like that if i just wrote facts about it you will agree. Why the hell would i need to waste my time and energy about something like that.
So please try to understand this situation. Actually it is one of the greatest question of my life that do we really need arts. What it provides us. Until i get an answer to this question. All forms of Arts will be unimportant to me.
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The next guy to continue this line of argument will have the post deleted. This argument is way past what I accept when it comes to derailing a topic.
And seriously people. Grow up.
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I have no problem Roar with you asking this discussion to be moved to another thread. As an admin person you ought to move our posts. In fact I'll make that request, so that this material is kept in it's own place and doesn't clutter the Miyazaki thread.
However I take issue in you telling me to "grow up", on what basis are you saying things like that in reference to the posts I'm making in response to Saviour?
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The fact that you're responding at all.
And I don't move posts. They either stay or they don't exist. Period.
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The fact that you're responding at all.
That doesn't make me immature. I genuinely want to show Saviour that his opinions are misguided and by holding those views he's missing some great anime. I'd like him to enjoy the other work this director has produced. I am happy to do that in another thread as I've already offered but if you are not going to move posts, and Saviour continues to reply I can only reply here.
I am not impressed with your administrative decisions, OT posts should be moved elsewhere, its what any other admin would do on any other forum.
And telling forum members to "grow up" is really unhelpful. It's aggressive, it pisses me off and it masks the intention of your post.
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The fact that you're responding at all.
That doesn't make me immature. I genuinely want to show Saviour that his opinions are misguided and by holding those views he's missing some great anime. I'd like him to enjoy the other work this director has produced. I am happy to do that in another thread as I've already offered but if you are not going to move posts, and Saviour continues to reply I can only reply here.
I am not impressed with your administrative decisions, OT posts should be moved elsewhere, its what any other admin would do on any other forum.
And telling forum members to "grow up" is really unhelpful. It's aggressive, it pisses me off and it masks the intention of your post.
lets drop this saddle
i am not saying that i wont see any of anno's work. some are in my list already. i will see them when i get time.
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The fact that you're responding at all.
That doesn't make me immature. I genuinely want to show Saviour that his opinions are misguided and by holding those views he's missing some great anime.
I guess whether its immature or not is subjective. But it sure is stubborn!
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Don't feed the trolls.
Anyway, I was trying to find a firmer source regarding Miyazaki's un-retirement, but without any luck so far. While it's not exactly unbelievable, I would at least like to see evidence that makes it clear that this is more than just a rumour.
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